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Dell charges $49 to remove their own spyware
Tom Karpik - Thursday, May 4th, 2006 | 11:17AM (PST)


Not too shocking

Everything that is to come is a perfect example of why I never have and never will buy a pre-built PC from a system builder if I can help it.

Michael Amor Righi is just a regular guy running a computer training/consulting company out of Pittsburgh. Like any regular person could be expected to do, Mr. Righi -- finding the need to purchase a Windows-based PC due to work-related complications -- went to Dell. Upon using the new Dell for some time, he discovered that it came with "My Way Search Assistant" conveniently pre-installed, courtesy of Dell.

As any gullible Windows user is probably aware, My Way is a neat little piece of spyware that spies on your surfing habits so that it can annoy you with targeted advertising. Obviously Dell gets some kick-backs from this unscrupulous company for bundling My Way's garbage with every Dell computer, but what I don't understand is why -- you've paid Dell for the computer, why the hell should you endure advertisements on your own computer from that point on?

Anyway, obviously Mr. Righi wasn't too pleased about this, so he attempted to un-install the filth with the Add/Remove Programs control panel. No go -- upon rebooting, the thing was still there. Being a paying customer, Mr. Righi then did the reasonable thing, and called Dell. The following (from Michael's blog post) ensued:

After a 30 minute wait on hold, a man with an Indian accent who asked to be called Stewart answered the phone. Our (abbreviated) conversation went something like this:

Stewart: What seems to be the problem?
Me: I’d like to remove My Way Search Assistant from my computer. I tried to remove it through the Control Panel, but it still appears in “Add or Remove Programs.”
Stewart: What do you know about this program?
Me: I know that this is Spyware and I know that I want it off my machine.
Stewart: How did My Way get onto your computer in the first place?
Me: What do you mean? It came pre-installed when I bought my computer from Dell.
Stewart: I have trouble believing that this was on your computer when you purchased it.
Me: So do I Stewart, so do I.


Obviously Stewart is not very up to date with the sotware Dell pre-installs on their computers. If anybody doubts that Dell has a relationships with My Way, one only need visit http://www.dell4me.com/myway/.

Stewart then explained that he would no longer be able to assist me with my problem. He indicated that I would need to contact software support services for help removing the spyware that Dell installed on my machine. Oh yeah, and he indicated that they would charge my credit card for the call. $49, specifically.

What Dell is doing should be illegal. They are being paid to install spyware on new computers. They are making it difficult for customers to remove the spyware on their own. Then, they charge $49 to teach you how to remove it. This would be like a doctor being paid to infect you with a disease and then charging you for the antidote.

What more needs to be said?

That, my friends, is why I make an active effort to avoid using pre-built Windows PCs -- let alone buy them. Unfortunately, in the notebook PC world, you have little choice, so my course of action changes track:

  • Buy computer, unpack
  • Turn on, wait an excruciantingly long amount of time while Windows and boat-loads of spyware/memory-consuming filth load
  • Take note of hardware in the machine
  • Format the hard drive and re-install Windows from an original retail disc

Sadly, not even my iBook G4 from Apple was immune to bloat -- the stock 40 GB hard drive already came with 12 - 15 GB consumed by garbage I didn't need. That underwent a format and fresh re-install almost instantly as well.

It's a sad state of affairs indeed.

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Comments:

May 4th, 2006 6:31PM(PST)
Fred
I worked on this product and it's simply a redirect to the MyWay/Dell home page. Change your home page to something you prefer and you won't see it again. It's not spyware.
May 4th, 2006 8:46PM(PST)
PitbulI
I have been looking at buying a Laptop and was thinking of Dell or Compaq, this scares me.
May 4th, 2006 8:58PM(PST)
tomchu
If it's just a default redirect in the browser ...

Then why is there an entry for it in Add/Remove Programs, as well as a bunch of DLLs strewn about the system that are loaded at start-up?
May 5th, 2006 5:49AM(PST)
Bob
More research should've been done on this story before it was sent to print. It's aggravating to see secondhand accounts and opinions delivered to the public as fact. MyWay is actually one of the most benign, NON tracking, NON ad presenting toolbars out there. Dell suffers a big revenue hit every quarter in spyware support calls so I seriously doubt they would intentionally install it on their own PCs.

The story makes it sound like something insidious is going on when if you read any of a dozen writeups on the situation you'll see it was actually a case of poor coding causing the problem, not malicious intent.

I'm no fan of Dell and all their pre-installed garbage either, my first step is usually a complete format and reinstall and I"m no fan of MyWay, I feel everything they offer is available in better avenues (Google, etc)and the fun of talking to someone in India for $49 bucks is a 100% ripoff, especially with how little was known about their own products, but I'd rather see a good, researched story that presents the facts and lets the readers decide.
May 5th, 2006 9:34AM(PST)
WaroDaBeast
*sigh* <shakes head>
This world is goin' down da tubes, people. I hope Dell will get sued for that. :-/
May 5th, 2006 12:18PM(PST)
tomchu
Bob, a question for you ...

Why does Ad-Aware find and remove MyWay? Why does Sunbelt Software categories MyWay as a moderate risk to users?

Benign? I wouldn't say so. Winamp is benign. FlashFXP is benign. MyWay? I don't want the filth on any of my systems -- I'll have it *my way*, thanks.
May 5th, 2006 1:39PM(PST)
cdplayer
If this My Way Assistant software is just bloat I say get rid of it. I agree with Bob just reformat the hard drive and rebuild Windows.

My only concern is when you rebuild the operating system will the bloat be reinstalled?
May 5th, 2006 4:15PM(PST)
tomchu
cdplayer -- That's a good question that I'm sure many people wonder about.

If you use the restore discs supplied by the company from which you bought the computer, you can almost bet that they will restore the system to the exact state it came in from the factory -- junkware and all.

The only way to get a truly "clean" system is to use an original Microsoft retail/OEM Windows disc. If your computer came with Windows XP Home Edition, and you have the "Genuine Windows" license sticker to prove it, you can borrow your friend's XP Home disc and re-install from that. As long as you use the license key that you purchased along with the computer (what's on the sticker), you're well within the boundaries of the law.
May 5th, 2006 4:23PM(PST)
BobKat
I have spent hundreds of hours removing this exact Malware from clients computers... it is responcible for "unwanted) redirects to search-pages that often list numerous porn sites, often changes your homepage and is very difficult to get rid of. The uninstalls never work, in fact from what I recall it once brought me to the My way homepage and said I had to answer a few questions before the install would complete. Just for reasons of insanity at that point I answered their questions, but after the message came up that My Way was uninstalled... it reinstalled itself. This program SHOULD BE illegal.
May 6th, 2006 4:34AM(PST)
Douglas Cheverst
Another very good reason NOT to buy any Dell computers; but will Dell take any damned notice?
May 6th, 2006 10:44PM(PST)
Dan
Check out this place if you want to avoid Junk software being loaded on your computer, check these guys out, http://www.pugetsystems.com
May 7th, 2006 9:03AM(PST)
Sarafan_Priest
first of all, sorry for my bad englisch, it is not my daily language & therfor.
Besides that, I have a dell system and that My Way stuff is not on it, & even if I realy found that, than it is just a work of 30min. to clean my hard drive and install another Genuine Windows. Not to hard to get, isent it? I realy do not understand why making so much out of it! There is spyware everywhere, just seek & find & kill it.
That is the bussines of today, when you like computers, you deal with this.
That's life. Be a warrior instead of a...(how you say it in english)... crying baby.
And I want to shout it out...Buy Dell, there is nothing better.
C Ya

hey dell, you send my cheque now?
May 7th, 2006 8:05PM(PST)
Kim
I just bought a Dell and they would NOT send me a Windows XP CD! I asked - what will happen if I need to re-install for some reason - they said "oh you won't - just call us and we can fix any problem you have". So beware of this scam on their part also - is you won't get the CD to re-install Windows! I guess they are getting savvy to people formating and re-installing to get rid of all Dells JUNK, so now you pay $1500 for a computer and can't get the CD!
May 9th, 2006 4:16AM(PST)
Wolf
Kim- go to any torrent tracking site and download and burn yourself a copy of XP Pro Corporate.
May 9th, 2006 5:05AM(PST)
James
Kim- You'll probably have a hidden partition on your harddrive which you can reinstall Windows from. This is just Dell saving by not having to make Recovery CD's.
May 9th, 2006 11:44PM(PST)
Lisa
We've had our Dell for a year now. They didn't send us any disks with it when we bought it. But in Feb. I had problems with the sound and they sent the disks, but then they wouldn't help me with the sound problem...told me it was a software problem. This happened about 2 months before our warrenty was up. So we have disks, don't know if they work though. Still have sound problem but living with it. One of the the first things I noticed when we got the computer was the MY WAY. I knew it was bad news but its still there in the background lurking around. Over the year its only popped up about 7 times.
Guess I'm a boring person and they don't know where to hijack me too!!
May 10th, 2006 2:08PM(PST)
tickler
First of all, while I would ever in my LIFE buy a Dell, or any other over the counter retail box (or whitebox), I still find the replies here to be very uneducated amd unqualified. It takes a whole 40 seconds to really dig into the issue and see what's going on.

http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/kb/en/document?dn=1091919&c=us&l=en&cs=19&s=dhs

The Dell My Way Home Page is an Internet portal provided free of charge by Dell and MyWay.com. Through this portal, customers are given access to Internet search engines, web-based e-mail, instant messaging chat, news, sports, stocks, weather and many more feature-rich areas. Dell My Way allows customers to have their own highly customizable home page without the inconvenience of pop-up and banner ads normally associated with other Internet portals available.


http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=si_virus&message.id=42328

My Way Search Assistant is not spyware.

Search Assistant does not collect personal information upon startup or at any time as a requirement of use, does not monitor the sites a user visits, does not monitor a user's behavior on the Internet, does not log or track keystrokes, does not service or facility ads, and is completely spyware-free and adware-free
Simple removal: (1) Remove My Way Search Assistant
* Close all open Web browsers
* Click Start- Control Panel- Add or Remove Programs
* Double-click the Add or Remove Programs icon
* Click Remove a program
* Click My Way Search Assistant
* Click the Change/Remove button
* Follow the prompts

(2)
* From the Add/Remove list, click MyWebSearch (If not listed, go to 3)
* Click the Change/Remove button
* Follow the prompts

(3)
Download and install the Windows Installer CleanUp Utility . Install the program, then start it. Scroll down the list and click My Way Search Assistant entry, click the Remove button.

MY WAY is not to be confused with MyWay. The latter is spyware installed with Kazaa an dother free software, it is also relatively harmless but it does send a config file to affiliates of the software provider. THIS is why MYWAY as found in Dell's is seen as apyware. Spyware software, while important, is also notorious for turning up false positive results. Most see MANY relevant programs as spyware, don't put all your faith into something, just use the same web that got you here to do some actual research for once. It's not brain surgery, why is everyone so damn lazy these days? They just whine before investigating.

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