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chautemoc Jan 20, 09
The episodes require Steam? I didnt think any of them did. Ive seen them in retail..
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B2smoove Jan 20, 09
Exactly, what this boils down to is what are the rights of the consumer versus the rights of the IP holder. As long as you are not pirating the game you should not have restrictions on when I play the game. Why must we be subject to intrusive software like Sony's Secur-rom. When I went out and purchased the game at a store. Why does games like Half-life2 episode what-ever need Steam. I'm quite sure they can make a stand alone version but I think those days are long gone. As for the idea of a patch if they go out of business.... Half-Life 2 alone would require one huge patch.
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chautemoc Jan 19, 09
Details above.

Wireless internet isn't everywhere. And what about when the Internet goes down? Especially wireless, this happens all the time..

Point is..minimal restrictions, if any. Not into it personally.
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Nagare Jan 19, 09
not 60 just $50

I personally haven't tried this, but couldn't you "log on" to Steam and set it to offline and play your games that way?

And depending on how much of an online gamer you are, you could get a wireless internet card (the AT&T sort) for your laptop.
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chautemoc Jan 19, 09
quote oni_hero
Now see, this guy is looking at the positive side of things. This is the kind of person I like and like to be around. Someone who takes something that is normally viewed as a bad thing, and finds the good in it to like about it. Of course that doesn't work for everything.
Or just being naive.
Dont mean to suck the life out of everything, but yes, I understand his point. Its just like, what if I have a laptop with Steam on it, and I want to take it on a business trip for example and play my Steam games on it, but don't have an Internet connection? Its likely I cant do that, which I should be able to if I paid $60 for the freaking thing.
If it was just a natural requirement of the service, yes, I wouldnt care, but theres a difference between that and restricting your customers usage with what you sell them (DRM). It should be theirs once you sell it to them, not something still under your control, in that sense.
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Guest Jan 19, 09
quote B2smoove
If those servers go down in the future then what?
I remember reading an interview with Gabe Newell in Game Informer a while back, he said that the plan is if Valve ever goes out of business, they will simply remove the DRM on the games, allowing you to play your games offline and without needing Steam to be connected.
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Pokemon cheater Jan 19, 09
Do you think it says it's ok to pirate games?Cause that's the message im getting from it.But really he deos look on the bright side so that's good....
But it does not really work for me cause pirating games is really bad.And illegal.
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oni_hero Jan 19, 09
Now see, this guy is looking at the positive side of things. This is the kind of person I like and like to be around. Someone who takes something that is normally viewed as a bad thing, and finds the good in it to like about it. Of course that doesn't work for everything.
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DeathMonkey Jan 19, 09
quote B2smoove
Steam in itself is DRM. Whats more they collect stats on your hardware, and force you to have a internet connection. Stem means you drive all the way to BestBuy and buy a game that's basically a coaster.
Seems pretty normal to me because Steam is an online retail service, ofc an online retail service needs you to have an internet connection.

Although I do agree that Steam games that you buy in the shops are annoying to play if you don't have an internet connection, I used to hate Steam when I first bought HL2 because it just seemed to infest my computer and added an extra thing to load before I could play my game. I love Steam now, it's got a lot of games on it so it isn't a waste of space and it has just allowed me to install a whole lot of my games on my new laptop without me being at home.
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MrGrimm Jan 18, 09
I've always hated the idea of having to have an internet connection to be able to play Steam games. Where I live, internet connection is not guaranteed, even if you pay monthly for it. So whenever I have no connection, which is often, I can't even play my games. So piracy is a good choice for me, seeing as I wont need to be online. And having played the games from Valve, I believe they do deserve money from me, since the games were great. And I eventually did buy some games from Steam. So I agree with Jason Holtman, piracy can be a good thing.
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B2smoove Jan 18, 09
Steam in itself is DRM. Whats more they collect stats on your hardware, and force you to have a internet connection. Stem means you drive all the way to BestBuy and buy a game that's basically a coaster. The CD is just a place marker, incapable of running the game without a download from servers that they control. In a funny way it's kinda like the Matrix. The Server is in control. Steam tells you "If" you can play. Steam updates your game without your consent. Advertises other games on your PC, and takes all the joy out of collecting games because the games are incomplete or stored on your hard drive . I believe in a company's right to protect their IP, but not at the expense of the consumers right to play the game they purchased. If those servers go down in the future then what?
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anacreon Jan 18, 09
I haven't had any problems with steam either. Some other reasons i have seen for steam games is like this: "Hey this is a cool looking mod but it needs *insert game name here*.
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Nagare Jan 18, 09
Why would you want to play L4D offline in the first place?

I personally haven't had a problem with Steam aside from the recent TF2 server maintenance which overhauled how the online server seeking system works.
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Redemption Jan 18, 09
I've had a mostly positive experience with Steam. The only thing that bothers me is we couldn't install Left 4 Dead the other day without a net connection, which is pretty silly. As a DRM Steam isn't too bad. At least they roll it up as a DRM + game library solution (old games are still downloadable from Steam when you switch computers etc).

I also found that Far Cry 2, although it is protected by Steam, does not allow you to log in from 2 different computers. They require you to uninstall from one PC to be able to use it on another. That's just play silly too, since Steam effectively eliminates the problem of two people playing the same copy at the same time. To me this seems like publishers that go BEYOND simply using Steam authentication as their DRM model is a much bigger issue.

A nice improvement however would be semi-offline support, where you're on a PC that is already verified by Steam in the past, so it should allow you to play offline for a certain period of time without connecting to Steam at all.
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