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Nagare Jan 18, 09
Is it really that hard of a correlation to make?

I want to play the game that is getting these awesome reviews...damn they don't have it here yet...why not download it then!?!?!?!

Same goes for demo-less games I would assume, which is why Steam is so awesome. They have hundreds of demos available, but for those epic looking games with so-so reviews, I would assume that some percentage of people would want to try before buying and without a demo they can't do that. Alternative: pirate the game to try it out, not the right thing but the easiest thing for those people.
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samuraisushimonster Jan 18, 09
Another reason people pirate valve games is because they want the nonsteam version. A lot of people fussed when they said Mass Effect was going to have to authenticate itself online every ten days. Steam games have to check online every time they are played plus they force updates yet few people complain.
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chautemoc Jan 18, 09
Dont understand it either, sir.
Way I figure it overall Steam is worse than retail for DRM..at least some retail games have neither SecuROM nor some form of online activation. I think people just love Valve so much they overlook a lot of stuff. Pretty whack.
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Gussimotto Jan 18, 09
Steam games don't have to check online in order to be played. I've played through Steam Half Life 2 with no internet.
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chautemoc Jan 18, 09
Well, it's a bit tricky. If your files are up to date you can play offline apparently, but if they aren't, you can't. From the Steam kb:

The Steam client application's files must be updated to allow for the use of Offline Mode. If your game's status is "100% - Ready" but you receive the message "This game cannot be started in Offline Mode" when attempting to play offline, the Steam client application's files need to be updated.

Please note that you must connect to the Steam Network and test each of the games you would like to use in Offline Mode at least once to set up your account and configure Offline Mode on your machine.
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Jarhead255 Jan 18, 09
I frigging HATE steam. I got a free copy of HL2 steam fro ma friend, and I never got to beat it. Steam won't let the account log in now. I have no idea why. All I know is, it's stupid.
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Kuduros Jan 18, 09
Just delete your ClientRegistry.blob file from Steam's directory Jarhead. That'll force a manual update of your Steam client which should resolve any login issues you have.
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Redemption Jan 18, 09
I've had a mostly positive experience with Steam. The only thing that bothers me is we couldn't install Left 4 Dead the other day without a net connection, which is pretty silly. As a DRM Steam isn't too bad. At least they roll it up as a DRM + game library solution (old games are still downloadable from Steam when you switch computers etc).

I also found that Far Cry 2, although it is protected by Steam, does not allow you to log in from 2 different computers. They require you to uninstall from one PC to be able to use it on another. That's just play silly too, since Steam effectively eliminates the problem of two people playing the same copy at the same time. To me this seems like publishers that go BEYOND simply using Steam authentication as their DRM model is a much bigger issue.

A nice improvement however would be semi-offline support, where you're on a PC that is already verified by Steam in the past, so it should allow you to play offline for a certain period of time without connecting to Steam at all.
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Nagare Jan 18, 09
Why would you want to play L4D offline in the first place?

I personally haven't had a problem with Steam aside from the recent TF2 server maintenance which overhauled how the online server seeking system works.
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anacreon Jan 18, 09
I haven't had any problems with steam either. Some other reasons i have seen for steam games is like this: "Hey this is a cool looking mod but it needs *insert game name here*.
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B2smoove Jan 18, 09
Steam in itself is DRM. Whats more they collect stats on your hardware, and force you to have a internet connection. Stem means you drive all the way to BestBuy and buy a game that's basically a coaster. The CD is just a place marker, incapable of running the game without a download from servers that they control. In a funny way it's kinda like the Matrix. The Server is in control. Steam tells you "If" you can play. Steam updates your game without your consent. Advertises other games on your PC, and takes all the joy out of collecting games because the games are incomplete or stored on your hard drive . I believe in a company's right to protect their IP, but not at the expense of the consumers right to play the game they purchased. If those servers go down in the future then what?
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MrGrimm Jan 18, 09
I've always hated the idea of having to have an internet connection to be able to play Steam games. Where I live, internet connection is not guaranteed, even if you pay monthly for it. So whenever I have no connection, which is often, I can't even play my games. So piracy is a good choice for me, seeing as I wont need to be online. And having played the games from Valve, I believe they do deserve money from me, since the games were great. And I eventually did buy some games from Steam. So I agree with Jason Holtman, piracy can be a good thing.
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DeathMonkey Jan 19, 09
quote B2smoove
Steam in itself is DRM. Whats more they collect stats on your hardware, and force you to have a internet connection. Stem means you drive all the way to BestBuy and buy a game that's basically a coaster.
Seems pretty normal to me because Steam is an online retail service, ofc an online retail service needs you to have an internet connection.

Although I do agree that Steam games that you buy in the shops are annoying to play if you don't have an internet connection, I used to hate Steam when I first bought HL2 because it just seemed to infest my computer and added an extra thing to load before I could play my game. I love Steam now, it's got a lot of games on it so it isn't a waste of space and it has just allowed me to install a whole lot of my games on my new laptop without me being at home.
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oni_hero Jan 19, 09
Now see, this guy is looking at the positive side of things. This is the kind of person I like and like to be around. Someone who takes something that is normally viewed as a bad thing, and finds the good in it to like about it. Of course that doesn't work for everything.
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