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VeGiTAX2 Jun 23, 08
Odd statement. I'm betting Drogo has made pleanty of games and knows the limits of compressing textures, resizing final resolutions on hardware scalers versus software scalers and of course properly compressing and using audio stock though before just shooting that statement off right?

Before you say someone is "completely wrong" check and make sure yourself you can actually back that statement up, otherwise you're just assuming based on sources that don't exist because as of this point no one has actually gone about trying to port the game and bring down the scaling from raw audio and uncompressed textures to compressed textures, resized resolution and compressed audio sourcing.

Personally I don't really care about the where the game went to, I just get annoyed with the typical "DERZ NO WAI DIS CULD EVAR BE PORTED TO ANYTHING EVER CUZ PS3 IS THE BESTEST SYSTEM EVAR" which inevitably is spit out of random people without a clue.

As for MGS5, it was kind of a given when Kojima talked about the MGS4 being the end of his involvement in the series as a lead. When asked he constantly referred to the departure of his presence in the game and not a closure to the series itself. When Konami was pressed on it they returned the same response of Kojima and MGS4 being a final chapter but the series still existing post-Kojima.
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OmegaFury Jun 23, 08
Woah. Go VeGiTAX2.
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Drogo Baggins Jun 23, 08
VeGiTAX2, I don't need to check anything. MGS4 takes up about 50 Gigs. Good luck getting that on a DVD9.

Not to mention all the Sony products in MGS4 like the PSP, Sony Cell Phones, and the PS3 that's actually seen in the game at some points.

They aren't going to uncompress all the data, you're insane if you believe that. Why would they make a version of the game of less quality? Kojima was already a little dissappointed with the quality of MGS4. He's not going to decrease it, that's ridiculous.

"Check and make sure yourself you can actually back that statement up, otherwise you're just assuming based on sources that don't exist"
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Drogo Baggins Jun 23, 08
Is there a way to edit a comment?...

Anyway, I just realized that I kinda changed the subject from what the 360 can do to whether or not MGS4 will be on the 360.

Y'know what, as you said, maybe MGS4 could go on the 360, if all the data was compressed, and that's all well and good. But that does nothing to help your statement about how "The 360 can do what the PS3 can".

If the 360 can do what the PS3 can, why would the data need to be compressed for the 360 version?

That's like saying, I can play basketball just like Michael Jordan could in his prime, just as long as I play one-on-one against an 8-year-old with one arm.
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kspiess Jun 23, 08
Ya but, even if you were playing against an 8 year, you would not be able to dunk.

I'm not trying to make a point or anything. I'm just saying.
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VeGiTAX2 Jun 23, 08
*sigh*

Drogo, are you that absent minded of your own statements?

"There's absolutely no way MGS4 could've been on the 360, even if it were a 6 disk set"

"I don't need to check anything. MGS4 takes up about 50 Gigs. Good luck getting that on a DVD9."

Nice work double backing, and thus we journey into adventure.

MGS on a 50GB disc. I'm taking it you've never used compressed video vs raw, that you've never used compressed audio versus raw.

Do you even remotely know the compression sizes for raw multichannel audio versus correctly compressed CBR or even VBR audio?

A simple raw wav track in 2.0 audio comes in at around 50mb for 4 minutes. a similar track compressed in MP3 comes down to around 5-6mb depending on how you want to do the quality, still maintaining at least 192kbps.

You're talking about hours of audio and effects in multi-channel on top of that. As such you lose space fast, part of Kojima complaining about the space issue was based around audio limits because the disc wasn't going to let him offer multi-language audio based around the spec.

I haven't even touched using scaler technology like so many 360 and PS3 games do for conserving space and improving rendering speed for the system. Texture compression drops the rates dramatically letting existing hardware do the load. It's not like it's some silly trick that's escaped your view though, you probably haven't noticed it in 90% of the titles you've played.

Just for the record though.

1. You said multi-disc, now you're saying single disc
2. I said compress, you're trying to say uncompress which isn't possible seeing as it's done in mostly raw format already.
3. Kojima expressed dismay in the storage capacity for RAW audio in regard to being able to store Japanese and English tracks in the game.
4. Kojima gladly sacrificed quality in the past with MGS 2 and 3 on the PS2 when the Xbox had a better hardware offering so why would he start running with a double standard now?
5. The 360 can do what the PS3 can is a running statement that exists simply because companies like R* have done what they need to so that multi-platform games can be just as successful on both consoles. Texture and audio compression is nothing new and it seems that most gamers have no clue as to the difference when these visual comparisons stack up many times. It's a bit amusing to ignore that fact and go on some tangent about why the Xbox needs to compress data seeing as the PS3 and PC do it as well for bandwidth management and overall effective performance.

Honestly Drogo pick a stance and stick with it, don't backtrack and then dance around the facts.
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Drogo Baggins Jun 24, 08
I don't even need to read your terribly long comment.

My question says it all. You were trying to defend iamjoe's statement about how the PS3 can do what the 360 can do, and yet you also talked about how MGS4 could go on the 360 if it were compressed.

Why would it need to be compressed if the 360 can do what the PS3 can?

I'm not trying to say that the 360 sucks, I have one with 6 games for it and I'm pleased. But the fact is that it's not as powerful as the PS3.

That doesn't make the PS3 a better console, because, at the end of the day, the better console is the one with the better library of games.

I'm not a fanboy, I love most of the 360's exclusives.

I didn't change stances, either. the only time you could've taken what I said as changing stances was when I said a "hypothetical" thing. Like when I said, "There's absolutely no way MGS4 could've been on the 360, even if it were a 6 disk set, and definitely not if it were one disc on the 360."

That's not changing stances. I felt that way throughout my comments.
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VeGiTAX2 Jun 24, 08
Terribly long? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, forget that you double posted to get your rant going? Are you that senile already?

Yes you are actually. Your original question is about MGS4, so I addressed MGS4.

Then you go on about general console behavior so guess what? I went on about that as well.

If that really is too confusing for you, then take some time to comprehend my statements and then re-read your own statements instead of coming off like a fool.

Why would a game need to be compressed? Because the storage capacity limitation of a fixed media? You're trying to blur the line behind storage mediums and technology capabilities to get the answer you want to hear. Not a wise choice unless you feel uncomfortable with a topic.

You confuse power with storage capacity, as such you're falling apart with a point here. Blu-Ray doesn't enable some huge technological advantage, it's not a speed boost and it's just a larger storage medium.

By changing your point over and over to continue a topic in posting you change your stance, it doesn't matter if it was in your head, the fact is you went, "6 discs, ok well you responded to that so how about 1 disc and how about uncompressing RAW stock on top of that which is impossible but lets do it anyway"

Your consistency is just bad, thats why I started picking at it. Most people stay on a line and walk it, this is nothing of the sort.
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phoenix4848 Jun 25, 08
the ps3 is mroe powerful than the 360. shut up and take it. and shut up. but that goes for you as well. drogo. you both are being so petty by turning this into a ps3 vs 360. as you can see from my post i love the ps3 and every thing about it but this is mgs. and the last one for snake. give it and the creators some respect and do not bring fighting in to a mgs5 chat.
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VeGiTAX2 Jun 25, 08
Says the one who doesn't bother to read.

"Personally I don't really care about the where the game went to, I just get annoyed with the typical "DERZ NO WAI DIS CULD EVAR BE PORTED TO ANYTHING EVER CUZ PS3 IS THE BESTEST SYSTEM EVAR" which inevitably is spit out of random people without a clue."

gg on proving my point anyway. I don't care about where the games go. Having one sided moron fests of "PS3 IS THE BEST EVER SO GET OVER IT AND NOTHING EVER ON THIS PLANET WILL BE BETTER EXCEPT PS4" is just flat out annoying though so I do respond to it in hopes that maybe just maybe, people think just a tiny bit before they post or even *gasp* research things before they shoot their mouth off.

I'd give MGS more respect if Konami let Kojima do his thing when he wanted to instead of dragging him into sequels. You could tell the man wasn't as fired up for 4 as he had been in the past and yet they kept pushing him through it.

For me I hope they let Kojima just do his thing instead of pushing him on into something absurd like "MGS Anthology: Snake Chronicles" where they find a way to drag things out further for the sake of milking a successful venture.
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Guest Jun 25, 08
Both 360 and ps3 suck the Wii is more powerful then both combined.
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dal112 Jun 26, 08
yeah and my Sega Gamegear has better graphics than a DS and PSP combined. It also has internet access and transforms into a quad-bike.
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Guest Jun 26, 08
Yeah and my pen-is is bigger then that big black PS3 you are all pathetic morons with no lifes Solid Snake I mean come on what kind of silly name is that. Playstation, what you guys like playing at stations got nothing better to do? xbox 360, why pay 300 Bucks for a machine when I can spin 360 degrees free of charge day in day out. A wii? haha I dont even need to say anything bout that you guys have all lost the plot baddooiinngg
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Qwowner Jun 27, 08
Talk all you want, at the end of the day my pressure washers beats any game system. It's a "Turbo-charged, ninety gauge, super-mega-mega-mega washer, with a DVD drive"
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DeathMonkey Jun 28, 08
You all under-estimate my pencil-sharpener...
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