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NDS in danger?
Sean Ridgeley - Saturday, May 3rd, 2008 | 12:55PM (PST)


Street Fighter II creator/Game Republic founder says yes

According to Street Fighter II creator and founder of development company Game Republic Yoshiki Okamoto, the DS could be going under. Hard to believe considering it's sold over 70 million units worldwide, isn't it? Well, the PSP is catching up (in Japan at least), but maybe that's just because everyone already has a DS (don't get me wrong, this isn't some fanboy comment, the more successful every system is the better, I think). Anyway, as we all know, a system is only really as good as its games, and so says Okamoto, the DS' library is severely out of proportion in that department.

Nintendo has undeniably innovated the gaming industry with the DS and Wii, but some seem to imply this is only half the equation. Indeed, what's a great and innovative system if you have way too many games, and way too many that just plain suck? Hey, let's not deny it, we've all seen it:

The question is whether or not this situation is enough to actually provoke another "Atari crash." Okamoto says it certainly could be:

"Japan had its economic bubble in the late eighties, and that burst. I think some of the same things are happening in the American economy right now. Like, they're going to have to do something to prevent it. It's foolish to keep making the same mistakes people have already made.

So, Nintendo's going to need some sort of strategy to deal with this. I think it's a fact that the market blew up more rapidly than even they thought it would. And the faster something expands, the easier it is for it to deflate again, right? I hope they come up with a way to avoid this with the DS. But for one thing, there are way too many titles out all at once."

He also touches on the fact of so many companies who don't even make games are pushing them out onto the market like food. Actually, I'm pretty sure farmers have more passion than this:

"[At least in Japan] all sorts of companies that have never made games before are getting involved. I mean, the cost of development is really next to nothing. And what about this flood of 'brain training' games? Can they really keep that up?

Nintendo put a lot of thought into the original, and ran some really cool commercials for it. But some of these companies just slap something together, put the word 'brain' in the title, and release it. There are a ton of them, and barely any of them are interesting."

They're definitely stifling what was once a very passionate industry. But you know, that's business for you, right? It's easy to blame companies for putting out unoriginal garbage, but they wouldn't if they didn't think people would buy it; it's just business. But was the industry always this way? I don't think so; it was kind of like the "before computers were cool" thing - games were for nerds, so all we got was passionate nerds making nerdy games for nerds. And life was good. But now people from all walks of life have found their way to the gaming world, so what we get is everything - stupid garbage, heartfelt RPGs, sci-fi adventures, MMORPG's. It's a wild world out there, folks.

But back to my point (believe it or not, there was a point): if you're going to release stuff like "HampsturhZz Eleventeen," make it good, okay? It's not that hard to put a bit of passion into your work. And if you're just doing it for money and want to put the minimal amount of effort into it, go run a corporation or something, will you? Well, it's just one perspective.

Source: Gamasutra
Section: Nintendo Consoles

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May 3rd, 2008 2:28PM(PST)
VeGiTAX2

It would be more of a point if those titles were targeted at you. But they're not, they never will be and they never claimed it in the first place. That's probably the biggest crash in this whole post.

You're assuming that something like Catz was targeted at you but in reality it was a cheap kids game on the PC ages ago for parents to use to distract their 6-7yr old kid until dinner was ready. The game serves the same purpose now that it did back then, to kill time until something is ready to then occupy their time.

Maybe if it was "Catz for Sean" it'd be something to complain about because it's not tailored to your interests. But as it stands the game does what it has for ages and it keeps kids out of the parents hair for a short period of time.

May 3rd, 2008 5:53PM(PST)
iamjoe56

What the hell Veg. Hostile mood today? I think Sean has a point, the DS and wii are getting a whole crap load of cheap games that either came out a millennium ago or are cheap piles of programming designed to print money.

A side note, I would be truly surprised if those games were real. GG.

May 3rd, 2008 6:08PM(PST)
VeGiTAX2

Rush had to have been like 20 millenniums ago with the way it looks.

The thing is they have a demographic, they always have, and the low cost development on the Wii means that they're going to make even more of it now that the console has such a large installed base. Instead of one Barbie Horse Adventures game, they'll produce 4 in the same year to cash in on the potential chances to milk the kids.

The problem for Nintendo isn't installing the Seal of Approval again to QC and review every game in development, it's getting developers to take their platform seriously, the main reason for that is they sold their platform to developers on the idea that anyone could develop on the platform be it a well known house or a starting company looking to get a break. Although these days it seems like they would have been better off using that pitch for Wii-Ware instead.

And the Catz, Dogz, etc series has been going on for over a decade on PC and consoles / handhelds.

May 3rd, 2008 6:14PM(PST)
iamjoe56

So, I am surprised, they do seem to be real, however misguided they may be.

Also, as far as I know, the "demographic" you are talking about won't play Barbie adventures. Because, at least with the Wii, a large number of elderly own one. And while they may play Wii sports, they won't play Barbie, necessarily. As for the DS, I really don't see that many little kids with them, as I know of very few parents who will buy a $100 dollar piece or portable hardware, and allow there two year old to run around with it.

May 3rd, 2008 6:20PM(PST)
VeGiTAX2

Demographic isn't local, it's national, continental and global.

If you come out to the east or the west you'll see kids walking home from school with DS lite systems, at the mall with their parents with them, on school buses and so on.

If the DS didn't cater to a youth demographic you wouldn't have caught things on the net like the DS PICTOCHAT PEDOPHILES! on fox news (yeah I had to caps that it's just hillarious) but yes the DS is marketed for kids, just like the Gameboy, GBC and GBA have been marketed for kids.

The Wii suits many groups but one of the key focuses for Nintendo is the family as a whole, so Barbie Horse Adventures might torture the inner soul of Billy but Susie would be more than joyed to wave the Wii-mote around while a badly rendered horse has seizures into a tree.

May 3rd, 2008 6:30PM(PST)
iamjoe56

Actually, I forgot something. With the amount of horrid TV programs for kids these days, most parents might not stop little 12 year old Susie from getting barbie horsie adventures or something.

Still not sure why you object to this article, though?

May 3rd, 2008 7:37PM(PST)
VeGiTAX2

Yeah, just flip through the TV, your brain will start to smash itself against your skull shortly after. x_X

"But back to my point (believe it or not, there was a point): if you're going to release stuff like "HampsturhZz Eleventeen," make it good, okay?"

I'm pretty sure Sean never played the game in his youth at a point where some cheap entertainment such as that might have been enjoyable. It's easy to go and bash them to make a better game but if they've been doing the same thing for 10 years and making money with little complaint from those 6 and 7 yr old kids then its nothing he needs to really jump on because they're accomplishing their goal.

"It's not that hard to put a bit of passion into your work. And if you're just doing it for money and want to put the minimal amount of effort into it, go run a corporation or something, will you?"

Who is to say if the devs didn't care about those games in the citation, he doesn't know, I don't know, you don't know. We could probably ask and get that one solved pretty fast though. But regardless, the point of remaking that game probably 20+ times is because they like making money with little effort and for any publisher the end objective is only that they make money.

I get that games like Rush should never be made again in such a form, but if this is just going to be bashing kids games, then a moment needs to be taken to realize, yeah this wasn't targeted for you or me or Sean or most older gamers at all. I mean there of course could be some odd guy that was camping out at Gamestop for Catz but yeah... lets not even investigate that.

May 3rd, 2008 8:09PM(PST)
iamjoe56

Aha...must have missed that. :S

And yea, my 8 year old sister loves to watch that sprout channel, specifically the "goodnight show". God it makes me cringe. At her age, I was watching the discovery channel and learning Biology, science and the rest, she is learning how to be "polite". But all I see is *bleep*ation in a box, really.

May 3rd, 2008 9:20PM(PST)
RabidChinaGirl

I like ponies. =D

May 3rd, 2008 9:31PM(PST)
VeGiTAX2

The UI would probably kill you.

Btw, just for the sake of torture. This would have been the better example of a god awful title churned out with no possible solid reason behind it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAbMMAsx_BU

rabid, joe, sean, feel free to begin scratching your eyes out when you play the video at any point.

May 4th, 2008 12:12PM(PST)
iamjoe56

Oh jesus Veg...Good god. I think I have seen that in Arcades back in the 90's. *pukes*


Rabid, lol, dun' get me wrong, I like horses, but I do NOT want a game about them. That is just way too much.

May 4th, 2008 1:37PM(PST)
chautemoc

quote
It would be more of a point if those titles were targeted at you.
Nah, I really dont. But I mean, how many kids are going to object with the overflow of these games? Few or none. I just felt the need, and anyone can call that what they want.

quote
I'm pretty sure Sean never played the game in his youth at a point where some cheap entertainment such as that might have been enjoyable. It's easy to go and bash them to make a better game but if they've been doing the same thing for 10 years and making money with little complaint from those 6 and 7 yr old kids then its nothing he needs to really jump on because they're accomplishing their goal.
Oh, entirely untrue, and that's part of the reason I feel okay about this criticism. I've engaged in all kinds of cheap entertainment as a younger person, with gaming, music, whatever. And they are, but that's what I'm saying, it's kind of crap that they are, at least to this extent. I've got no problem with games based around animals for kids, I have a problem with listless games based around animals for kids, you know? I mean, from what I've heard Nintendogs is great stuff, and all kinds of folks enjoy that, and I think thats totally great. But like fifty companies, a significant portion of which have never developed games spinning off of that success with little or no effort or passion..I just cant dig that. I understand it, but..to be a little crude, it sucks.

quote
Who is to say if the devs didn't care about those games in the citation, he doesn't know, I don't know, you don't know. We could probably ask and get that one solved pretty fast though. But regardless, the point of remaking that game probably 20+ times is because they like making money with little effort and for any publisher the end objective is only that they make money.
Oh, I dont, I definitely dont. I mean, I suppose I didnt leave this impression, but this all based on speculation - of course it is. I mean, Im just saying it seems they didnt put any passion into it..and I think playing some of these games, its pretty easy to tell. And I completely agree about the money thing..again, thats all Im saying I have a problem with (only money mattering). Its fine to be pleased with financial success for something you put work into, but if thats all that matters to you..the game is going to suffer and peoples standards are probably going to lower.

Haha, whats wrong with Cruis'n? I remember playing Cruis'n USA for the N64 and I thought it was a decent racer. Maybe Im missing something here.

May 4th, 2008 2:28PM(PST)
iamjoe56

quote Chautemoc
I've engaged in all kinds of cheap entertainment as a younger person, with gaming, music, sex, drugs[ the cheap kind], whatever.
Lolz. Just pickin', dude. I couldn't resist.

May 4th, 2008 2:53PM(PST)
chautemoc

Haha, just alcohol as a teenager. Fun and not so fun times.

May 4th, 2008 2:55PM(PST)
iamjoe56

Not so fun..meaning the times you woke up in a ditch half naked? Never happened to me yet, but I have heard stories.

May 4th, 2008 3:05PM(PST)
chautemoc

Haha, not too far off. The worst part was being hospitalized. Didnt drink for years afterwards.

May 4th, 2008 3:09PM(PST)
iamjoe56

lol. Ouch, 'mano. So anyways, off the awkward teenage drug and alcohol issues.

hmm..what to chat about...?

May 4th, 2008 3:11PM(PST)
chautemoc

Guns. And steak.

May 4th, 2008 3:18PM(PST)
iamjoe56

LOL! PM me about them and away we go, dude. Them two things right there, epic shit. :D

May 4th, 2008 5:45PM(PST)
chautemoc

I should probably tell you I dont believe in guns and I'm a vegetarian.

May 4th, 2008 7:34PM(PST)
iamjoe56

Well if that is the case, prepiar to die, vegieman.

May 4th, 2008 7:53PM(PST)
chautemoc

This is the only gaming site I know of where the readers threaten to shoot the writers. Truly awesome.

May 4th, 2008 8:28PM(PST)
iamjoe56

HAHAHA! Seriously though, if you ARE like that, our dialog form now on may become..adverse.

May 4th, 2008 8:49PM(PST)
chautemoc

My dialogue with most people is adverse, so I dont mind.

May 4th, 2008 9:02PM(PST)
iamjoe56

In all seriousness, you aren't a Veg, are you?

May 4th, 2008 9:06PM(PST)
chautemoc

I care not to be judged, so I'm not answering that.

But, on the topic, I think you see it as "wrong." What I think would be beneficial to realize is that everyone's choices and views are just as valid as yours; there isn't really any right or wrong.

May 4th, 2008 9:10PM(PST)
iamjoe56

Being a Veg? Hell no, I won't shoot you for that, I'll damn sure question your sanity, but not shoot. It is the Gun grabbers I want to kill.

May 4th, 2008 9:33PM(PST)
chautemoc

Wouldnt that make you no different from them?

May 4th, 2008 9:35PM(PST)
iamjoe56

Oh aren't you a smartass. >_> The term gungrabber means those who think owning guns is wrong. I believe it is every American's right.

May 4th, 2008 9:36PM(PST)
RabidChinaGirl

And I believe it is best if this conversation is continued via PM, not comment thread.

May 4th, 2008 10:19PM(PST)
VeGiTAX2

"Haha, whats wrong with Cruis'n? I remember playing Cruis'n USA for the N64 and I thought it was a decent racer. Maybe Im missing something here."

Probably that the clip isn't from the N64 but it's instead a failed attempt at porting an N64 title to the Wii. After you put that part together it should make more sense at the fact that the clip wasn't a pre-production shot or anything, it's pretty much just giant poly blocks racing on roads / in worlds with 0 textures.

May 4th, 2008 10:29PM(PST)
chautemoc

Haha yeah, I realized that after I posted the comment. I figured it was for VC or something. :S

May 5th, 2008 5:30PM(PST)
yiyibowser

Why are they going down if they are they should trow more game or make the ds with more fetures

May 5th, 2008 5:33PM(PST)
iamjoe56

In english now? Cuase I did NOT understand that right ther.

May 5th, 2008 6:06PM(PST)
Firelizard

I think they said:

"Why are they going down? If they are, they should make more games or add more features to the DS."
_ _
\(0_o)/

May 5th, 2008 6:10PM(PST)
firelizard10

NO MY EMOTE GOT RAEPED!

May 14th, 2008 2:37PM(PST)
sonyandnintendorule

holy shit that sucks!!!
anyshit ya ive seen those

mother***************************************ing games commit every illegal offence 2 zem cuz zey r SHIT !!!!!
seriously zoh if there is a slight chance they r not complete crap then rent em

May 14th, 2008 2:41PM(PST)
sonyandnintendorule

wait noooo!
not from rogers
they use all the munny they steal freom u 2 hide their dildos


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