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bruceleethree Feb 18, 08
Blu-Ray:

higher storage capacity

laminative protective polymer coating, that is extremely difficult to scratch

superior bandwidth speed

HD-DVD:

No support other than Toshiba, making prices skyrocket eventually. Less everything that I mentioned with Blu-Ray.


Toshiba, ignorance is bliss. /bitespieceofsteak
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VeGiTAX2 Feb 18, 08
Indeed but you should also include the difference in region encoding and the world of difference in DRM imposed on the consumer. BD+ is nothing that benefits the end user or independent author, instead it protects the pockets of the studios by adding a VM to the player.

I'd rather slightly lower capacity using x.264 as a standard to make up for the change instead of losing consumer flexibility. I would have liked to see the polymer though not only on HD-DVD but on DVD and CD as well >_< bad enough when you get discs from retail that have some markings.
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THM Feb 18, 08
After all, no matter how we debate the so-called HD War, at the end of the day, Blu-ray has so many steps ahead of HD-DVD. Nobody can deny that!! It is an actual fact. I am pretty convinced that this time next year, HD-DVD will be long gone.

So long HD-DVD!!!
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bruceleethree Feb 18, 08
DRM is virtually a non-issue for 2nd 3rd 4th generation BR players. And consumer back lash will make sure DRM dies soon enough.

Slightly lower capacity? You know HD-DVD tops out at 35GB? BR starts at 50 and has 200GB discs already made by TDK. BR has the potential for much higher definition with the blue and violet lasers.
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VeGiTAX2 Feb 18, 08
Sorry but if they need 200GB to do 1080p then something is painfully wrong unless they're doing raw format with no compression at all on the video or audio streams.

Consumer backlash hasn't stopped BD+ from being enabled already, the thing to remember is consumer fear had them hold back BD+ in the start, they enabled it after the AACS outbreak. They have no reason to disable it with no competition to offer an alternative to consumers.

It's interesting how this always ends up turning into "well for the home" for people, when it comes to the independent author it becomes a case of "well I'm not one so I don't give a damn so they shouldn't either"

DVD at this point is still the most overall friendly format on the market, at this rate it will be for quite a few years.
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THM Feb 18, 08
VeGiTAX2, It is important to note that, home users' Markets are much much biggher than independent authors or developers or gurus' markets. Even though some authors or developers don't like BD-ROMs for some reasons, they were definitely be forced to use it anyhow in the future, because they sometimes simply do not have choice!!!

Blu-ray is getting its momentum right now and in the next two or three years, it will overtake half of DVD's Markets according to some expert analysts.

True, DVD is the ubiquitous format at the moment, nevertheless, by 2030, DVDs can only be found in the Libraries!!!
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bruceleethree Feb 18, 08
200GB will get you 5000x4000 resolution, more content in movies, more movies per disc, and don't get me started with video games.
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iamjoe56 Feb 18, 08
Well live in a world of Denial. Everyone Denies everything.

But Bruce. Vegitax has a point. unless they are using raw formats and not compressing anything, well, something IS wrong. Besides, I have yet to see anything, be it movie, or game, that if Properly and professionally compressed, won't work beautifully on DVD or HD-DVD.
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VeGiTAX2 Feb 18, 08
"200GB will get you 5000x4000 resolution"

Chances are you'd hit it before that, regardless film peaks at 6k lines in raw form. HD cameras aren't recording at that high of a rate yet and would still go through upscaling in the lab given the slow progression of technology for motion versus the established foothold of film stock.

"more content in movies"

lol, right. It's the video format that restricts movies from being x length. The studios, the MPAA, critics and audiences in general as well as the quality of the script determine what you get in a final product. Try to keep fantasy and reality seperated, you could have 500GB for films and all they'd do is lazily run the movie in the most uncompressed form they could do and rub out another step in the mastering process.

"more movies per disc"

And you've seen this where? For the rare value movie by wal-mart you might see a double feature, don't get your hopes up for a trilogy on a single disc at this point though especially if they're not dropping any form of compression system.

"and don't get me started with video games"

I never started with them and I don't recall HD-DVD being a video game format, so I guess you don't need to get started, further you really don't need to bother given that HDD transfer rates > fixed speed optical media. On top of that gaming is still fixed at 2048x2048 texturing which means you're hitting yet another wall there as well.

Unless your point is that Blu-Ray suddenly fixes all these items and defies the logic of our mortal minds.
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Raijin1999 Feb 19, 08
More movies per disc is a possibility, but the key word here is "Capitialism". Still happy to say i've sold 20+ BluRay players over the 5 HD dvd players. I'd like to ask Toshiba WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW, but then again, it's not like HD format doesn't have its uses. If only to compliment the contrast between BD and HD. :3 (*bleep*in' with yas)
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Raijin1999 Feb 19, 08
Ooh, looks like it is indeed official. Story's on 'grep too.

Blu-Ray wins. Now everybody who said Blu would go the way of Betamax, time to admit BD tech has "BALLS OF STEEL".
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