Anonymous is everywhere.
Across 14 countries and 50 cities protesters gathered yesterday in a concentrated effort to challenge the public perception of the international Church of Scientology. Who where these protesters? There were men and women and older folks and younger folks -- many of them wore masks (of V for Vendetta fame) -- but they all had one name really, and that name was Anonymous.
Anonymous is an idealogical, borderless group that coalesced from the depths of the Internets recently. Committed by a drive to expose the dark side of the Church of Scientology, Anonymous is open to anyone who would like to join, who believes in the battle. You can read about the initial salvos in the Anonymous versus Church of Scientology struggle right over here.
The protests have been the most publicly noticeable front in this information war between the Church, and this group of like-minded individuals, operating in concert. The lesser-known war has been fought -- and continues to propagate -- over networks under the control of the Church.
London, New York, Toronto. Honolulu, Los Angeles, Brussels; Anonymous protesters marched outside of Church offices, showing a stand -- a solidarity of sanity -- against, what they see, in their eyes, as a law-breaking organization, bent on the recruitment and brain-bending whims of a science fiction writer who is dead, that uses its resources against the mentalities of those who are vulnerable.
February 10th was chosen as the day of public protest in honor of a woman named Lisa McPherson, who (reportedly) died in a Scientology procedure referred to internally as a "Introspection Rundown."
The success of the event bodes well for the future of the Internets and her people, as it shows that no membership cards are needed for activity, only a chaotically aligned unity of belief and purpose, and a willingness to act.
Here are some pleasant pictures of the event:
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There is SO much more than just government infiltration, murder, and brainwashing to these guys! Visit xenu.net and http://scientology-victims-testimonies.com/
You'd be surprised.
Scientology doesn't suicide bomb or declare world wide acceptance of their religion or there will be consequences. Women aren't subjugated to cruelty if they shed a morsel of skin.
Scientology isn't the enemy, it seems like people just need to declare war on something these days, it is our nature after all to seek power and dominate others.
Scientology doesn't suicide bomb or declare world wide acceptance of their religion or there will be consequences. Women aren't subjugated to cruelty if they shed a morsel of skin."
You can not be more further from the truth my friend. Really and honestly "brutally violent Islam", is that true?
Furthermore, a good number of suicides and missing persons are/have been involved with CoS. Many ex-members of the "church" have come forward with information verifying the claims leveled against CoS.
Anonymous does not care if someone wants to believe they are possessed by alien ghosts. Anonymous does not care if someone wants to give that organization all of their money.
Anonymous cares that the organization encourages its members to "disconnect" from any family and/or friends who speak out against the CoS. Anonymous cares that this organization fully believes it is entitled to bully anyone who speaks against CoS with physical violence and/or litigation (google or wiki "fair game policy"). Anonymous is concerned that the "church" actively hunts down and harrasses it's detractors.
However, the Scientologist methods of stifling criticism and silencing opponents through threats and black propaganda are actions condoned and ENCOURAGED by the church itself, not the actions of extremists.
Were the hell you been? They beat women, and cut peoples hands off if they take something. Peaceful? hardly. I also think calling the reason for the attacks of 9/11 peaceful.
What are the newfags doing?
Honestly though, good on 'em. Scientology is ridiculous.
Go fellow Anons, go.
i am sorry, i have never heard of a muslim cutting off someone's hand in the US. I have heard however, of scientologists in florida taking a woman off her medication and starving her to death and i have heard of that same group lock a mentally incapacitated man in a hotel room and cause him to bathe in water that peeled off his flesh, and covering up his death as a drowning, even if his head was above the water level.
Please, i urge anyone who cannot believe this to go to http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
this is a true cult, that the US is backing as a religion
I don't care to defend anyone in this really, but it's bothersome to see people citing the mass media publicized extreme people as the generalization of the whole.
Does it make you sleep easier to see a city carpet bombed and go "well they're just a bunch of head cutting, women beating, plane crashers" so that you can rest up?
GG on the ignorance. thoughts like that perpetuate blind hate when major events go down.
I might also remind those generalizing all Muslims to be arsonists and murderers that during the Crusades, the Church was attempting to "win back the Holy Land".
The Church told it's people that God would deliver Jerusalem to them, and anyone who didn't want them to get Jerusalem back was a heretic. Heresy was punishable by torture and subsequent death. And by torture, I don't mean a slap on the wrist. Burning at the stake was all too common. If they felt like a show, they'd use slow-burning wet wood. If you were lucky, you got fast-burning dry wood. Those were your two options. The slow burning made your skin char and turn black, start to crack and peel while you could still feel it. The pain was intense and excruciating, and you could feel every bit of it. They didn't give you the pleasure of dying. You either died from a vital organ being singed or from sheer pain.
Thirteen thousand children marched to Jerusalem, believing that the walls would fall as soon as they arrived. They all died from disease, the elements, and the few that made it got shot.
The Pope sold indulgences to the highest bidder, saying that anyone could do whatever they wanted, murder, rape, etc., but if they paid the Church, all of their sins would be forgiven and they would go to Heaven.
So let's all not forget that Scientology isn't the first corrupt religion that ever existed. The title of the first religion to torture people, the first religion to claim that "Anybody that doesn't agree with us will die!", is taken by what is also the most popular religion on Earth. Christians tortured wide-scale on a regular basis, all over Europe. I think we can give Muslims and Scientologists the benefit of the doubt.
people corrupt and get corrupted, that's all there is to it, some think they can do whatever they want like CoS or that the are above all others like neonazis or whatever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y&feature=related
just watch that.
Tbh I don't really care what other people BELIEVE in or what religion they belong to.
And yeah joe, I know plenty of Muslims here in the UK and none of them have cut of any ones hand and all of them think that what is happening around the world by people taking the Koran horribly out of context is awful.
Have ANY of you actually red the Karan? Violence is plentiful, not as much as the old testament in the Bible but trust me, Mohammad wasn't a Ghandi by any means.
Seriously, you're all hypocrites preaching we're all brainwashed by the media. Well you're all brainwashed by the anti-media!
Who's right? Go read the Karan and see for yourself.
Hypocrites for calling people against Islam ignorant.
Actually, I am not using the estremists spevifically, the traditional islam is a more violant 'religion' than most. As if you are caughyt steeling [this is evidenced by a man in Saudi Arabia Sometime ago] you can be beheaded for it.
So unless you can provide concrete proof that True Islam is NOT a more violance based religion, do not get all high and mighty with me. Also, I disdane the mass media. it is radically Stupid in most every endevour it gets into.
I have heard of having a hand cut off for theft rather expensive things... like gold jewelery, which was fairly rare when the religion started. Gold was basically the way you would store your wealth. If you stole food or something...
Brigandage, like highway robbery, on the other hand, is punishable by death. Incidentally, rape falls under the heading of bringandage.
The guy you are talking about was probably beheaded for murder, rape, or homosexual sex. Some criminals in the US are executed for murder, and in my opinion should be executed for rape. With homosexuality... what can I say, the Allah doesn't like homosexuals.
There are also fornication and adultery, which are both punishable by being stoned to death. However they both need four direct witnesses of the act, so as long as a person is discreet, it is pretty much impossible to get a guilty verdict.
The Sharia isn't just the Koran. It is the Koran and observation of what Muhammad did constantly being interpreted by various judical experts to apply to specific circumstances. Experts who are human and biased just like you and me. There is only like a few hundred pages pages in the Koran, a book that has other stuff in addition to laws. Compare it to the several thousand pages in the NYS traffic law book.
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. We are not ignorant for calling the people against Islam ignorant. The people that are completely and utterly against Islam are ignorant.
As you yourself said, the Bible is much more bloody then the Karan. I can't actually say, not having read the Karan, but I have read the Bible. Rape, murder. Nasty thing.
In any case, neither the Bible nor the Karan have anything to do with it. Neither commend killing for sport. It is complete and utter fact that Priests and the Pope told people they could do whatever they wanted for a price, and it is absolute fact that anyone who committed heresy was tortured and then killed.
I'm sure this would have translated itself into the same things Muslims are doing today, should our technology been available then.
Nobody is preaching that anybody is brainwashed by the media. But be honest. Do you honestly think that because people in a religion do bad things in the name of their religion that all people in the religion are bad? I hardly believe that every single Scientologist commits kidnapping and torture any more then I believe every Muslim steals a plain and drives it into a building.
Not every Christian tortured others back towards the Dark Ages either. However, you are acting as though kidnapping, torture, and murder are terrible, terrible things and the entire religion should be killed off, when, in reality, the only religion to have done these things four-hundred years ago is today the most popular religion on Earth!
all religions want peace, it doesn't matter is a lunatic gets it somehow else and does terrible things
neither Christianity nor Islam drive you to kill, i just know that both of them are related to some terrible things in humanity's history like the Crusades or the Islamic Holy Wars
i know Islam is stricter than Christianity and that Arabs waged wars with other countries because they wouldn't accept their religion at the time the Roman empire was still alive and kickin' and i know that in the beggining of the 12th century 4 Crusades were organized and many were killed so none of the histories are clean
religions are something people can't live without and i'm a Christian, what i do believe in is God, not people and not others that believe in the God i believe as well
now stop this, ok?
it won't lead anywhere the only thing that's gonna happen is just more posting since no one will accept the other's point of view
And to x_revenge, yes. All religions have had their share of "bad times". However, we all seem to forget that Christianity was the first corrupt religion, and it doesn't help that most people damning the Muslims and Scientologists are, in fact, Christian! It's this that kills me.
Everyone just needs to leave the Scientologists and Islams, and whoever else comes up, alone.
religions are not corrupt or can be, people are corrupt and corrupt their religions with them
Isn'tthis about the religiions themselves? This Scientology has had it's hand in violant things. And yes, Christianity can be equally violant, however, I do not see any other religion in the world telling us to convert or Die. [Islam anyone?]
Christianity = convert or go to Hell.
Not anymore. But that's exactly what Christians did. However, Scientologists do so furtively and Muslims do so with great planning and at cost to their own numbers.
Christians simply arrested, tortured, and then killed anyone who said anything remotely similar to heresy.
And x_revenge, I do apologize. That is what I had intended to say.
Actually in the Bible it says that those who don't believe won't be punished for it because they do not know. Not sure where exactly.
@Glotnot
And this is wrong right? So what is wrong with trying to stop religions from doing so? Just becuase Christians used to do it, it doesn't make it right for others to do so.
yes, but are the christians obligated to send you to hell?
Also, vegitax, I jsut ntoiced in one of your posts you called me ignorant again. >_> Why exactly do you insist on tryign and startign something?
Further, how did this whole Islam thing come about?
Finally Glotnot, you are refering to the Dark ages when, yes the church did some rather awful things. Also, the Christian religion did not dictate for the preists to do such things. Islam, however does call for acts of the same type to be done to the "infadels" I.E, you, me and your mother. OR more simply, anyone not muslim.
Oh well.
Ya, guys, if you need proof of the violence in the Bible, all you have to is check out these links:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/david_vs_saul/people_of_nob_massacred/1s22_17a.html
http://www.thebricktestament.com/king_david/sauls_family_dismembered/2s21_02.html
http://www.thebricktestament.com/joshua/twenty-four_cities_massacred/jos11_09b.html
Need I go on?
http://www.thebricktestament.com/king_david/sauls_family_dismembered/2s21_08-09.html
http://www.thebricktestament.com/king_david/sauls_family_dismembered/2s21_09a.html
Violent indeed!
How did this get started anyway? I wouldn't compare Scientology to established religions.
Agree to disagree, or just shut it and have your views and leave it at that. Your religious views should only be formed by your own experiences and your own choices, same as your political views. Unfortunately both of these are enforced upon us by everyone, but you can still choose to say 'yeah' or 'nah' to whatever you like.
If someone likes Scientology, let them be. If somebody approahces the Church, good on them. If the Church approaches you, then tell them to beat it. Try to force your views upon me, on whatever it may be, i'll hold you in a low regard. If you tell me your views, i'll respect you. If your view is that 1+1=3 (or anything similar where you are simply brainwashed or being a douchebag) then i'll try my best to tell you your wrong, but in the end does my explaining make a difference to some douchebag who thinks 1+1=3?
For any Christian to criticize that behaviour, true or false, would be completely hypocritical as that very violent, ruthless tendency is their history.