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Bill Gates03 Oct 3, 07
"It's still a crime to upload that music to the Internet or P2P for all to share. Unless you live in Canada where the Supreme Court has said that sharing music on-line is not a crime."

Does that mean we can have Canadians upload all the music, then Americans can download it legally? ;D
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MicahWrites Oct 3, 07
Well, according to the Supreme Court of Canada downloading music is not a crime, uploading it is.

Don't quote me on that though, that judgment was made years ago.
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iamjoe56 Oct 3, 07
lol. Sony, they are taking that stance because thye probably would profit from this case winning, in record labels favor, and they want the money. Damned idiots. That is a good way to kill the fan base! Threaten to sue them!
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jonnyblack1301 Oct 3, 07
You know, sharing songs has been around a lot longer than the internet. It's called the radio. Nobody threatens to sue me when I tape a song off the radio. What if I take that tape, transfer it to digital medium and put it on my computer (specifically a file that is connected to Kazaa or Limewire etc.)? It's still legal, because I originally got it from the radio and put it on to magnetic media then transferred it to digital.
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Avalith Oct 3, 07
What they're also failing to realize, however, is that many people use illegal downloads for semi-legitimate purposes. My room mate is guilty of downloads and sharing files, but he does it in good faith and if he likes what he hears, he actually goes out and buys the album to support the artist, so in reality, he's not really doing the artist or the label any harm.
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Raijin1999 Oct 4, 07
Radiohead's covering that with a completely digital album release. Pay what you want, or pay nothing. If tactics like that (hopefully) catch on like wildfire, these annoyances will hopefully end (though some snot nosed punk will always try to milk the little man).
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MicahWrites Oct 4, 07
I like what Radiohead is doing and do hope it catches on. In fact, I somewhat beleive that big label musicians with million dollar contracts should make most of their money from concert tickets rather than inflated CD prices.

And to admit; I do download music from the web.

BUT . . . it's the music I already own in CD form. I own several dozen CD's and choose to download the individual songs from P2P and BitTorrent. Technically (and legally speaking), I'm not doing anything wrong since I have never (and will never) upload any content that I haven't already purchased in a store to any sharing portal.

The 'recording from radio' issue is a grey area, but has been deemed illegal. There was some case a few years ago (don't ask me to referance, it was a long time ago and wasn't covered very well) that had some company selling software that allowed users to record XFM and Sirrus satallite radio. The company was fined and shut down.

Still, the RIAA (and MPAA and software/game companies) need to back off. If they don't, they'll alienate their customer base to the point where we won't buy CD's anymore. Besides, service like iTunes are driving CD sales into obscurity.
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sprites of justice Oct 4, 07
i thinks its stupid you make music for peole to listen to. sorta like what prince did a while ago
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Guest Oct 4, 07
"Unless you live in Canada where the Supreme Court has said that sharing music on-line is not a crime."

This isn't correct. The Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeals set out in BMG vs. Doe what evidence would be required in order to get a court order to disclose the identities of people behind specific IP addresses. Otherwise such a disclosure would be a violation of federal privacy law.

If you download recorded music (nothing else) for private use, then this is covered by the Private Copying regime of the Canadian Copyright act. If you download anything that isn't recorded music, or you share what you downloaded in any way (IE: via p2p, via distributing copies, etc), then it is as much a copyright infringement in Canada as it is in the USA.

There is a lot of misinformation about this case. Some of this has come from CRIA (the Canadian re-branding of the RIAA) which wants to scare Canadian politicians into passing draconian changes to Canadian copyright law. The fact is that with a tiny amount of evidence they could successfully sue Canadians who are unauthorized sharing music.

The problem in these cases, both in Canada and the USA, isn't a problem with the law but the technological incompetence of the recording industry in actually collecting useful evidence.


I'm the host for http://digital-copyright.ca , and we are a citizens based forum focused on educating politicians and the general public about copyright. We also have a number of petitions to Canadian parliament.
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iamjoe56 Oct 4, 07
This is just one more example in a long line of royal cock ups by sony. One, producing the Da vinci code (It tanked in the box offices), two the PS3 launch almost didn't work out at all. And now this, number three. Trying to frighten the fanbase by taking a very money hungry stance and supporting this thing. It drives me insane.

I download a ton of music, off downlaod.com, limewire, anywere. My music folder tops out at 1.26 Gigbytes of content! I must oh billions in lawsuits, if I beleive sony. Also, the most distrebution I have done is make CDs for myself, and my sister. Hmmm. This just sounds so ridiculus that I can't hardly type because I am laughing so hard. THis is just lunacy.
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Guest Oct 4, 07
For the record...Jammie Thomas is a 30 year old single mother of two.
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jonnyblack1301 Oct 4, 07
Sony apparently doesn't realize that P2P file sharing is just free publicity. I do what Avalith's friend does. Most of the CD's I own I bought because I downloaded a song or two on Limewire and liked what I heard. Only about 20% of my CD's are bought out of good faith and liking what the artist has done in the past, the 80% is from sampling what the artist has brought to the table in this manner. I would much rather own a CD than keep filling up my iPod with songs that I won't listen to.
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MicahWrites Oct 4, 07
Yeah, they're all in a snit over P2P and file sharing, but Internet Radio Stations are just fine. Hey, I have a bunch of radio tuners running in Ubuntu Linux, and I can record the stream. No problem with that, right Sony?
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iamjoe56 Oct 5, 07
You're right, Jonny, P2P is free publicity. If sony wants to commit suicide, then fine, let'em. I don't care. But if they continue to make these stupid and un PR friendly decisions, they'll tank.

Now JC, exactly what does Jammie Thomass' maratil statues have to do with things??
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