Neoseeker : News : Tropes vs Women in Video Games series talks violence against women in new episode
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NiceGaia Jun 16, 14
This is so dumb. Sorry, but women can't cry out for equality in a fit of feminist rage and then complain about trivial, stupid little things like this. There are wayyyy more male video game characters that get horrifically murdered in all sorts of manners in video games. These are works of fiction, people. Fake characters that go through fake events and die fake deaths. If you're behind stuff like this, then you have to also commit 100% to the theory that playing video games turns kids into crazy, violent serial killers, because stuff like this goes hand in hand. And while male prostitution may be uncommon in video games, there is still plenty of disturbing, messed up stuff that male characters and NPCs go through, as well. Next thing you know, people like this are going to succeed and there won't be any women in games at all and society will start harking about how playing video games turns you into a homosexual. (That was sarcasm, I don't actually believe that will happen haha.)
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InitiallySane Jun 16, 14
I wish I could cherry-pick prime examples for everything I disagree with as well. Also, am I the only one who noticed Michael's son was playing as Franklin in that GTA clip? Dude can't even play as his own dad.
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Wakaman Jun 16, 14
NiceGaia except it's not about 'hey stop killing women in videos games!' It's about trying to stop the objectification and oversexualized portrayal of women in video games.

While I don't agree with a lot of Anita Sarkeesian's points(and some I downright feel are total bullshit) or how some feel like reaching for straws you can't exactly say what she is doing is bad for the community. All she wants is for women to stop being portayed as weak defenseless sex objects that can be thrown out when you've had your fun. This isn't about making it so that women > men it's about not spreading the idea that it's ok to see women this way.

Just my two cents on the matter.
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bluexy Jun 17, 14
Another Tropes vs. Women in video games that does an outstanding job of showing an ingrained sexism inherent to our medium. Big budget games owe more to their players, both men and women.

What hit me hardest this episode was the mixture of both sexist and racist tropes in the proliferation of "Asian prostitutes" in open-world or gritty street-crime games. Insanely disgusting, compounded even moreso by the potential for violence afterwards.

Our medium, due to its interactive elements, owes it our fans to be more responsible, more fair, and more honest.
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SpartanNinja Jun 17, 14
Art imitates life. Games are art. EVERY single event she used as an example is used in real life. Until that changes they are actually emulating the real world. Not every NPC plays a significant role. But even then every person in the Fables are just as developed as any other random NPC. prostitute or not. Watchdogs too actually.

Regardless of your orientation the ultimate goal for 99% of people is to get nooky. So why are we so surprised about objectification both ways?

Being as games are interactive as she likes to drone on you can completely ignore anything they put in. As sexual as they can be sometimes the point of it is to make you uncomfortable. And it works.

I don't get this. I suppose the intentions are good but I really just wasted 30 minutes of my time watching a woman who sexualizes herself by putting on just a little more makeup than necessary and wears giant hoop ear rings not unlike the digital prostitutes she is advocating for... I wonder what her reasons for that were...?
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bluexy Jun 17, 14
quote SpartanNinja
I don't get this. I suppose the intentions are good but I really just wasted 30 minutes of my time watching a woman who sexualizes herself by putting on just a little more makeup than necessary and wears giant hoop ear rings not unlike the digital prostitutes she is advocating for... I wonder what her reasons for that were...?
You're pretty out of line here.
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SpartanNinja Jun 17, 14
quote bluexy
You're pretty out of line here.
What part? That I think she wears just a tad bit too much makeup considering the subject? oh no I'm sure its just fine for someone else. Maybe its cause she has hooker earrings? Its not like I said she was one I merely that she had some paraphernalia of one. Or maybe it was the it was my comment about wasting my time on a person who is complaining about the sexualization yet does similar things to herself. I really don't understand why someone would argue against this but whatever.

Maybe I an being too insensitive but I see what I see. It clearly doesn't align with what you see and that's something we will simply have to disagree on.
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bluexy Jun 17, 14
SpartanNinja There's a line you've crossed between disagreeing with her opinion and personally attacking her which only serves to prove her point. That, in an piece focused on the prevalence of sexism in gaming, you chose to to sexualize the the creator of the video based on her make-up and jewelry, to judge her, to equate her to a prostitute, is disgusting. Yes, SpartanNinja. Out of line.
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SpartanNinja Jun 17, 14
quote bluexy
That, in an piece focused on the prevalence of sexism in gaming, you chose to to sexualize the the creator of the video based on her make-up and jewelry, to judge her, to equate her to a prostitute, is disgusting. Yes, SpartanNinja. Out of line.
She sexualized herself. Don't blame me when I observe her doing it. Its not just this video either. I can't believe people would condone it. Hypocrisy is her game. You can't change anything until you change yourself.
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bluexy Jun 17, 14
quote SpartanNinja
She sexualized herself. Don't blame me when I observe her doing it. Its not just this video either. I can't believe people would condone it. Hypocrisy is her game. You can't change anything until you change yourself.
I don't know you, man, but I would encourage you to talk to a professional if you have the resources to do so. These are not okay opinions to have. Women are not sexualizing themselves by wearing make-up and jewelry. They are people wearing what they want, looking how they want. That is their freedom.

At worst, please look up and research issues of feminism and misogyny. Please.
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SpartanNinja Jun 17, 14
quote bluexy
quote SpartanNinja
She sexualized herself. Don't blame me when I observe her doing it. Its not just this video either. I can't believe people would condone it. Hypocrisy is her game. You can't change anything until you change yourself.
I don't know you, man, but I would encourage you to talk to a professional if you have the resources to do so. These are not okay opinions to have. Women are not sexualizing themselves by wearing make-up and jewelry. They are people wearing what they want, looking how they want. That is their freedom.

At worst, please look up and research issues of feminism and misogyny. Please.
Le sigh. What a woman does to herself is fine. Its their right in most countries. But then doing that and then trying to dictate how game devs, or movie/tv producers, or artist portray their female characters no matter their importance is wrong. But because you are convinced anyone who disagrees with a feminist needs help... I guess we are done talking. A sad day.

Also "Women are not sexualizing themselves by wearing make-up and jewelry." thats the only reason they are doing it. Sure it may have the side affect of making their self esteem rise or what have you. But the only reason style, fashion, and beauty products exist is to make you more attractive and more likely to find sex and a mate and love. You should seek consoling yourself.
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ImmoStride Jun 17, 14
Oh look, the scam/nonsense bullshit series is back, wonder how horrible the script written for this freaking insane hack is this time
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RabidChinaGirl Jun 17, 14
Whether you agree or disagree with her points, how she presents these issues and so on don't make the series any less worth watching, IMO. The problems which she points out do exist.

I'm glad folks still watch the series, even if they don't agree 100% with her delivery.
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Xeros the Slayer Jun 17, 14
quote InitiallySane
I wish I could cherry-pick prime examples for everything I disagree with as well.
Presented as an argument, it's not her job to shift between presenting points and counterpoints. She's listing points she finds problematic, and she does, even if a game has other good qualities that doesn't negate the existence of the bad ones. That doesn't make the entire game bad, or the people who enjoy it bad. That seems to be the key misunderstanding people have with this whole thing.

It's not putting down games you like, it's meant to get people to think critically about the media they consume. That's the entire point, to get you to pay a bit more attention.

It's also not saying people who partake in these are more likely to do these in real life, simply that it's a symptom of larger social issues and curing the symptom by bringing genuine equal footholds would be a step towards solving these issues. The games are not creating problems, they're reinforcing them.

NiceGaia When you kill normally dressed men, normally dressed women, and sexualized female sex workers, it's not a neutral standing point.

Also made me realize there is a disproportionately high amount of prostitution in game worlds. It really is weird how many games, especially any with an open world, have you go to a brothel.
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