Neoseeker : News : BioShock Infinite: Burial at Sea DLC isn't very long, but Ken Levine stresses quality over quantity
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Unstoppable_Luke Nov 11, 13
Quality of writing and exploration over fun, tough quality gameplay that should span your hours of enjoyment instead of a story and exploration.
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Dilweedle Nov 11, 13
Yeah, but movies cost about $7, this costs twice that.
The only way this is a good deal is if you buy the season pass, but aside from that it looks great.
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Xeros the Slayer Nov 11, 13
It's funny that people complain because there's $60 games that have that kind of length. In fact a good chunk of them are rather popular these days.

That said, I'm of the opinion that if dollar/hour ratio is so huge for you, just go play Maple Story or some other free to play garbage.
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AkaiEdge Nov 12, 13
TES III: Bloodmoon, TES IV: Shivering Isles, TES V: Dragonborn, Fallout 3: Broken Steel/Point Lookout, Fallout NV: Honest Hearts/Old World Blues, Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare, and Dark Souls: Artorias of the Abyss had quality+quantity.
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Xeros the Slayer Nov 12, 13
Most of those can be beaten in the span of three hours though.

Undead Nightmare not so much because of the slog of defending settlements, but the others don't have particularly long core pieces so much as they had kinda big maps. In the case of Bethesda developed ones a lot of open spaces with a whole lot of nothing worth noting except that they looked different from the main game and had different (though mechanically near identical to vanilla game) enemies.

Obsidian and Dark Souls are pretty exemplary of what can be done with download expansions, even though the latter falls into the "under three hours" category. Hell it could probably be done in under one hour.
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DarkLordAkuma Nov 12, 13
I understand in some cases the Quality over Quantity argument can be valid, but you can't use that with everything. Quality and Quantity aren't exclusive, you can have both.
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Huntereb Nov 12, 13
Agh, that's a shame. I expected it to be at least an hour longer than a CoD campaign.

Jokes aside, I still can't wait for this. It looks like a really interesting side-plot.
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RabidChinaGirl Nov 12, 13
quote Dilweedle
Yeah, but movies cost about $7, this costs twice that.
The only way this is a good deal is if you buy the season pass, but aside from that it looks great.
I remember when movies used to cost $7... in 2003.
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Dilweedle Nov 12, 13
quote RabidChinaGirl
I remember when movies used to cost $7... in 2003.
My local theater only costs $7, and there's a drive-in that costs $10 per car.
The movie comparison is irrelevant, I still think the DLC is too expensive.
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Drogo Baggins Nov 12, 13
quote Dilweedle
quote RabidChinaGirl
I remember when movies used to cost $7... in 2003.
My local theater only costs $7, and there's a drive-in that costs $10 per car.
The movie comparison is irrelevant, I still think the DLC is too expensive.
I think she meant DVDs/Blu-Rays, which is more applicable here since you're paying to own the movie in that case, and it's the same here.

Comparing this to movie ticket prices is like comparing rentals to buying a full product. Of course the rental will be cheaper.
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RabidChinaGirl Nov 12, 13
quote Drogo Baggins
quote Dilweedle
quote RabidChinaGirl
I remember when movies used to cost $7... in 2003.
My local theater only costs $7, and there's a drive-in that costs $10 per car.
The movie comparison is irrelevant, I still think the DLC is too expensive.
I think she meant DVDs/Blu-Rays, which is more applicable here since you're paying to own the movie in that case, and it's the same here.

Comparing this to movie ticket prices is like comparing rentals to buying a full product. Of course the rental will be cheaper.
Totally irrelevant to the article at this point, HOWEVER... I was referring to actual theatres. AMCs, Regals and the like. They're around $12 to $12.50 where I live. In nicer places (free refills, assigned seats, or other perks usually), that goes up to $15-17. Some indie theatres offer movies after they've left mainstream theatres for $1-2.

MORE relevant to the topic: I do think the DLC price is (most likely) justified. I fully agree with Levine that, at least in this case, quality trumps quantity. Consider the price tag for map packs these days -- $10 to $15. If you seriously play so much multiplayer that you'll be using these maps over and over again, then I'd say fine, it's a good deal. Likewise, if add-on content for Fallout, TES, or BioShock is offering a couple hours of great, immersive storytelling, I'm totally in! Way more value than a movie, honestly (which costs the same as the DLC where I live, incidentally), unless that movie is Pacific Rim in 3D.
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Xeros the Slayer Nov 12, 13
quote Drogo Baggins
I think she meant DVDs/Blu-Rays, which is more applicable here since you're paying to own the movie in that case, and it's the same here.

Comparing this to movie ticket prices is like comparing rentals to buying a full product. Of course the rental will be cheaper.
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quote RabidChinaGirl
I remember when movies used to cost $7... in 2003.
My local theater only costs $7, and there's a drive-in that costs $10 per car.
The movie comparison is irrelevant, I still think the DLC is too expensive.
Where are you people finding such cheap tickets and movies? Only way to get a movie for under $15 in my area is to shop the bargain bin, blu-rays go $25+.

Theater tickets are $11 for the Sunday matinee. $14 for the regular viewing times, and $16 for special events.

Drives ins were about the same, when we had them, they've all vanished lately.
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bastiaanbogers Nov 12, 13
quote AkaiEdge
TES III: Bloodmoon, TES IV: Shivering Isles, TES V: Dragonborn, Fallout 3: Broken Steel/Point Lookout, Fallout NV: Honest Hearts/Old World Blues, Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare, and Dark Souls: Artorias of the Abyss had quality+quantity.
All I see there are DLC expansions to open world RPG games, in which you spend very much time just running through vast areas of nothing (woods, plains, caves, dungeons, etc.). Bioshock isn't an open world game, so you won't get as much hours for your money. However, what you'll probably get, is an intense ride, backed up by an intriguing story. That's what I look for in a game. If you don't, don't buy and don't bother.

Don't get me wrong, though. I really enjoyed some of the games you mentioned.
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bastiaanbogers Nov 12, 13
quote Xeros the Slayer
Where are you people finding such cheap tickets and movies? Only way to get a movie for under $15 in my area is to shop the bargain bin, blu-rays go $25+.

Theater tickets are $11 for the Sunday matinee. $14 for the regular viewing times, and $16 for special events.
Same here. In the Netherlands, a movie costs at least €9 ($12). I wish I could go for as low as $7.
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