Neoseeker : News : Microsoft's list of the Xbox One's supported countries for Xbox LIVE and what that means
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LloydToS Jun 15, 13
Considering this is all based on asumptions let's hope Microsoft isn't THAT bad. They've made a few arrogant statements and I'm sure that quite a few potential XbOne customers have been swayed over to the PS4 right now. But it could be that consoles outside those regions don't use the always online, if it turns out like described here however... Set sail for fail MS.
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albeit Jun 15, 13
No supported XBL One in Singapore?
That's means is shiiiieeeetttt
Go for PS4, Xboxes is screwed for Asians
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Duncan Idaho Jun 15, 13
quote LloydToS
Considering this is all based on asumptions let's hope Microsoft isn't THAT bad. They've made a few arrogant statements and I'm sure that quite a few potential XbOne customers have been swayed over to the PS4 right now. But it could be that consoles outside those regions don't use the always online, if it turns out like described here however... Set sail for fail MS.
It is like that, the information is already stated on their official web page
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Ncjpr1993 Jun 15, 13
This is lame. The Xbox and Xbox 360 were such great consoles (despite a less than stellar launch for the latter), why does it seem like Microsoft is suddenly trying to alienate anybody who may have wanted an Xbox One? No Japan? I guess that means goodbye to the awesome bullet hell import selection we had on the 360. This... this hardly even makes sense.
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Zombie_Barioth Jun 15, 13
quote Ncjpr1993
This is lame. The Xbox and Xbox 360 were such great consoles (despite a less than stellar launch for the latter), why does it seem like Microsoft is suddenly trying to alienate anybody who may have wanted an Xbox One? No Japan? I guess that means goodbye to the awesome bullet hell import selection we had on the 360. This... this hardly even makes sense.
The 360 just doesn't sell in Japan so I guess they just decided not to bother with it this time around. I wouldn't rule it out completely but I can't see Japanese developers making games for a console not even released in Japan.
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Redemption Jun 15, 13
I'm only speculating here, but I'm not convinced that region locked consoles and region locked games will work the way we're guessing at.

From a technical perspective, MS has to make a decision to lock by user's IP or by the region encoding of the console, there's no way they'd do both, since that is the most restrictive way to do this and also the most prone to errors (say you live near the border between 2 regions or your ISP uses proxied IPs that make you appear to come from another region). Any financial or business gain from region locking of this nature will be outweighed (IMO) by the technical support load from users who can't use their games or consoles for legitimate reasons.

If region locking is on the console encoding, my guess is this is something that can be changed by MS tech support remotely if a user moves or has a legitimate reason to change it. This is a hassle but at least you won't have to buy a new console just because you crossed borders from the UK to say, France. Better yet, it might be user selectable (doubtful, but reduces MS's support overhead).

Also, who's to say that the Xbox One's region locking will be in such granular regions? Maybe Xbox Live will only be supported in certain countries to begin with for revenue reasons (same as why Google's Play store wasn't supported in many countries 2 years ago). XBL support may be on a per country basis, but region definitions might be much broader (eg Europe vs Asia vs North America).

Right now things look and sound dire, but as more information comes to light we'll hopefully find that the region locking issues aren't nearly as problematic as it seems right now. (this doesn't mean the PS4 isn't way more consumer friendly though!).

What's more, because console firmware is updatable, if gamers as a whole create enough fuss about it, MS may have the option of modifying or removing their region locked policies altogether, so constant but rational discussion about the topic is key to let MS know what consumers WANT.

Honestly, regardless of how strict or not strict it will be, region locking is an important business decision if developers demand this type of thing, but in today's world where travelling and gaming is an absolutely international passtime, it just seems like a really outdated mode of thinking. In Europe, many think tanks, countries and economists are urging people to stop thinking of living and working as a fixed location concept, and to keep minds open about moving to different cities and countries within the EU to wherever jobs and opportunities exist. This is a whole new generation we're living in and freedoms and mobility are the future of society.
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Rayce Jun 16, 13
quote Redemption
From a technical perspective, MS has to make a decision to lock by user's IP or by the region encoding of the console, there's no way they'd do both, since that is the most restrictive way to do this and also the most prone to errors (say you live near the border between 2 regions or your ISP uses proxied IPs that make you appear to come from another region). Any financial or business gain from region locking of this nature will be outweighed (IMO) by the technical support load from users who can't use their games or consoles for legitimate reasons.

If region locking is on the console encoding, my guess is this is something that can be changed by MS tech support remotely if a user moves or has a legitimate reason to change it. This is a hassle but at least you won't have to buy a new console just because you crossed borders from the UK to say, France. Better yet, it might be user selectable (doubtful, but reduces MS's support overhead).
I would think that they would do the region locking because, as you said, some users use proxies that could potentially deter the gamer's IP from the region, especially if they do live between an accepted and rejected region, then there could be days where they do get service and don't, and if they can't go online for a day, then they could potentially be locked out of their Xbox.

Though, I can imagine IP tech support would be an easy fix and would only affect a select few, namingly some European folks.

quote Redemption
Honestly, regardless of how strict or not strict it will be, region locking is an important business decision if developers demand this type of thing, but in today's world where travelling and gaming is an absolutely international passtime, it just seems like a really outdated mode of thinking. In Europe, many think tanks, countries and economists are urging people to stop thinking of living and working as a fixed location concept, and to keep minds open about moving to different cities and countries within the EU to wherever jobs and opportunities exist. This is a whole new generation we're living in and freedoms and mobility are the future of society.
Indeed, it is important for Microsoft, but the times are heading more towards global compatibility. Like Singapore, for example, is one of the nations that is generally included in most of the major gaming company's coverage range, yet when they are seen in this region-locking as a business decision, they find themselves left out as they are grouped with most of Asia in terms of coverage; I don't agree with this, but business is business. I do agree with you though, freedoms are becoming the future of the world, and the ability to move with Xbox One is important; I know I like to take my Xbox when I'm out on extended trips.
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Redemption Jun 16, 13
quote Rayce
I know I like to take my Xbox when I'm out on extended trips.
Would you really lug around your Xbox when you go for extended trips? Wouldn't a laptop or portable gaming device (eg PS Vita or even mobile phone) be more appropriate?
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Rayce Jun 16, 13
quote Redemption
Would you really lug around your Xbox when you go for extended trips? Wouldn't a laptop or portable gaming device (eg PS Vita or even mobile phone) be more appropriate?
It depends on the trip. When I was away in Arizona for a week and a half, I took it and had a blast. But for weekend trips you're right, I just bring my DS and iPod and call it good. For flights too I'd leave it at home because I'd rather take my laptop rather than my Xbox as a carry-on.
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