Neoseeker : News : Sony details what's in the $399 PlayStation 4 box from 500GB to a DualShock 4, camera $59 extra
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Zombie_Barioth Jun 27, 13
quote Auron32
quote Zombie_Barioth
Your absolutely right, I agree. I was only pointing out why I think people are upset about them not bundling the camera with the console. Most people would rather buy a box with everything they need inside than load their cart up with all the "missing" stuff, and expect a discount to boot. Most people don't realize the bundle isn't aways the cheaper option.
id rather NOT pay for the damn camera that im never going to touch. most gamers probably agree, why pay for something that only a mere 20% of users will actually use. i buy GAMES consoles for games, not some gimick that will only gather dust...
When I say "most people" I'm only talking about the mainstream consumors. Most of us gamers aren't interested but then we're the minority here, otherwise things like kinect wouldn't be as successful as it is. Mainstream consumers are the ones who usually go for these kind of "deals" while those of us on the enthusiast end tend to be a lot more savvy when it comes to these things.
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Auron32 Jun 27, 13
quote Zombie_Barioth
Your absolutely right, I agree. I was only pointing out why I think people are upset about them not bundling the camera with the console. Most people would rather buy a box with everything they need inside than load their cart up with all the "missing" stuff, and expect a discount to boot. Most people don't realize the bundle isn't aways the cheaper option.
id rather NOT pay for the damn camera that im never going to touch. most gamers probably agree, why pay for something that only a mere 20% of users will actually use. i buy GAMES consoles for games, not some gimick that will only gather dust...
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Zombie_Barioth Jun 26, 13
quote Ville_Valo
quote Zombie_Barioth
I think what most people seem to think is that they'll get some sort of discount if they bundled it, something that does happen quite a bit with pack-ins. What they fail to realize is theres only so much that can be put into a bundle be fore it starts affecting the price.

As for PS+ at least its only for multiplayer rather than locking you out of just about everything. It actually offers quite a lot of value and theres a pretty good chance that streaming games through GaiKai will be added to it as a service.

That's a good point. But raising the price for everyone so that it's cheaper for the minority who want cameras is not ideal.

It's nice how they've done that. I don't want to play online much, and probably won't subscribe. But I can still update and purchase games and demos without paying extra
Your absolutely right, I agree. I was only pointing out why I think people are upset about them not bundling the camera with the console. Most people would rather buy a box with everything they need inside than load their cart up with all the "missing" stuff, and expect a discount to boot. Most people don't realize the bundle isn't aways the cheaper option.
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Ville_Valo Jun 26, 13
quote Zombie_Barioth
I think what most people seem to think is that they'll get some sort of discount if they bundled it, something that does happen quite a bit with pack-ins. What they fail to realize is theres only so much that can be put into a bundle be fore it starts affecting the price.

As for PS+ at least its only for multiplayer rather than locking you out of just about everything. It actually offers quite a lot of value and theres a pretty good chance that streaming games through GaiKai will be added to it as a service.

That's a good point. But raising the price for everyone so that it's cheaper for the minority who want cameras is not ideal.

It's nice how they've done that. I don't want to play online much, and probably won't subscribe. But I can still update and purchase games and demos without paying extra
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Darknet Jun 26, 13
Wait a second.

Sony still supports the PlayStation Move?
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moron88 Jun 21, 13
i dont play online but i do plan to get ps+ when i get my ps4. i have only played online for more than an hour on 1 game, burnout paradise. i dont expect that to change much with the ps4. the reason o plan to get ps+ is for the games and other perks. as it is, i have netflix, hulu+, gamefly and sony music unlimited (yes, i'm one of the 78). an annual $50 is acceptable, especially if i were to buy on release day (which i guarantee i will not) because the only game i would by is the driving game (cant think of the name at the moment) which will probably cost $60 but is free for ps+ subscribers (from what i read). no need to buy the game, just add funds to you psn when you get home!
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Zombie_Barioth Jun 21, 13
quote Ville_Valo
quote Musachi 86
It's not that I want the camera that badly, I just think its a bit sneaky changing @ the last minute & not even announcing it.
...The last minute? If what you say is true, they announced the camera in Feb, and dropped it sometime before June. And the console launches in December.
Last minute?

If they put the camera in it would cost more. How it is, you can buy both if you want, but I don't have to.
Everyone wins. Everyone. So stop.
I think what most people seem to think is that they'll get some sort of discount if they bundled it, something that does happen quite a bit with pack-ins. What they fail to realize is theres only so much that can be put into a bundle be fore it starts affecting the price.

As for PS+ at least its only for multiplayer rather than locking you out of just about everything. It actually offers quite a lot of value and theres a pretty good chance that streaming games through GaiKai will be added to it as a service.
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Auron32 Jun 21, 13
with regards to PS+ being paid for and required, im not surprised and not bothered, im used to it as this gen i was mainly on the xbox side of gaming and live (which is shit in comparision) is £40 a year.

the reason im negative towards it is PS+ gives you MUCH more for your money, and now MicroCock have realised that people are transfering to the good ship Sony they too are offering free games for Gold members... games most people have already or games that are shit and not even selling in the "nobody wants to buy" bins...
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BlackLabel Jun 21, 13
quote Cmm
I don't need a camera but for a multiplayer you need ps+ is kinda sad but then again i thought about ps3 online gaming and its not that good when you get it for free so with ps+ requirement it will be better.
You need PS+ yes but you get free games every month so the subscription is more than worth it when you're downloading more than £39.99's worth of games. I mean currently PS+ on PS3 is worth about £800 which makes it insane value, I don't see many complaining about needing the service for multiplayer when the service pays for itself within a month or two.
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Cmm Jun 21, 13
I don't need a camera but for a multiplayer you need ps+ is kinda sad but then again i thought about ps3 online gaming and its not that good when you get it for free so with ps+ requirement it will be better.
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Ville_Valo Jun 20, 13
quote Musachi 86
It's not that I want the camera that badly, I just think its a bit sneaky changing @ the last minute & not even announcing it.
...The last minute? If what you say is true, they announced the camera in Feb, and dropped it sometime before June. And the console launches in December.
Last minute?

If they put the camera in it would cost more. How it is, you can buy both if you want, but I don't have to.
Everyone wins. Everyone. So stop.
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Musachi 86 Jun 18, 13
quote Slash
quote Musachi 86
WTF SONY!!!!

You said every PS4 will come bundled with a camera, I watched you say it back in February. That's a little un-fair now to go back on that.. Shame on you... First the PSplus requirement to play online & now this? The majority say you've won the console war, I'm not jumping on that bandwagon just yet... You're just drip feeding the info out to soften the blow... Well it ain't working.... :/
What. Stop.
Buy the camera yourself if you want it so badly, no need to make it required for everyone when they don't one and it'd just drop the price. <_
It's not that I want the camera that badly, I just think its a bit sneaky changing @ the last minute & not even announcing it. my first post was literally the first time I'd heard about, please excuse my rant.

I can understand & I agree with the move they've made. I'm a Sony gamer @ heart & will always consider the PS first over the Xbox & this years E3 had me jumping for joy when I watched the live stream & saw Sony hand it to MS, it was awesome!!!
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Mishtram Jun 17, 13
Part of it is, again, the fact that the VAT is included in the price that those in Britain see, as well as a handful of transport and supply chain differences. The major reason, though, is again the CPI. Brits are willing to pay more, partially because the price of that console is being placed against the prices of other goods in Britain. When people make decisions, they are comparing costs in a bundle that includes other goods in the area, not the same good across many areas.

The simple answer is that they charge more because they can charge more, and make more money off of it. Until the profit drops as Brits decide not to buy it at higher prices, prevailing market conditions will allow them to charge more. In part, too, I think they also consider the NA region to simply be more competitive, meaning they want to under-price competition more actively to get a larger market share.
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Ville_Valo Jun 16, 13
quote HU1CH13
It's not as if the systems are built in America and then shipped over. So much for the advantages of having the strongest currency....
That's another thing - what's with it? It's not even an American console!

I would've expected higher prices for Aus to drop with the rise of internet shopping. We even have stores in Aus that specialize in buying games new from overseas and selling them at a realistic price. I've heard some retailers online are bumping up prices for Australians, but you'd wonder how they'll survive if there's someone giving real prices that you can buy from.
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