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DarshD Apr 16, 13
Very interesting article
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Demonfurby Apr 16, 13
just putting it out there, elizabeth saves booker far more and far greater than he does her, and elizabeth isn't used as a plot device for booker's character development. I could easily argue the opposite. Neither is true, they both support each other's development, and neither take the backseat.

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But would you feel so differently about Liz and BioShock Infinite if she weren't a girl? After all, doesn't a parent love their child regardless of sex?
Are you denying that parents have different relationships with the two different genders? Children are inherently attracted to the opposite-sexed parent growing up. Their relationships are generally more important emotionally and for their development. In general, father-daughter relationships are more important for the child than a father-son relationship, as is the opposite for mother-son/mother-daughter. So to invoke a greater emotional connection to the player and character, Levine employed the father-daughter relationship. It's smart on his part; for the first few hours of the story, you're being thrown into the narrative of the civil war happening, and you're emotionally invested with that. To make it easier for a strong connection to occur, elizabeth is a girl. No problem there at all. I know, as a man, I wouldn't have cared about her as much if she were male. It's a primal, animalistic instinct, but to deny it, and to try to eliminate it just so you can try to convince stupid people to stop thinking women are lesser, and in turn sacrifice the literary integrity and girth of the emotions conveyed through the narrative, is both arbitrary and irresponsible
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john albert Apr 16, 13
interesting!!!
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Dreadlock Holiday Apr 16, 13
Good read indeed, nice one RabidChinaGirl. I think Elizabeth plays a strong role, as demonfurby mentioned, she is more than capable of looking after herself, and provides medical attention for Booker, if it wasn't for her Booker would be history.
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THM Apr 16, 13
Does gender play a major role in videogames?
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Wolverine527 Apr 16, 13
"Bring us the boy and wipe away the debt."

I could see things working fairly similarly if Elizabeth had been a boy instead of a girl,though he would indeed have to be much younger (I'd say about 12).
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RabidChinaGirl Apr 16, 13
Dreadlock Holiday Nah, not denying her strength or her role. Like the article mentioned, she's a very good character that steps away from the typical Damsel trope.

Also, Demonfurby, all of that may be true, but in the end, the parent still loves that child, no? Regardless of whether Liz turned out to be a female or male, Booker still would've felt indescribable grief when he remembered what he'd done (bearing in mind he only knew his child as an infant, and they hadn't really bonded beyond that yet).

Wolvervine527 Yeah, pretty much. He'd have to be much younger.
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Yay4sean Apr 16, 13
I'm afraid 90% of the people who play Bioshock (males) would not have nearly as much interest in the game.
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NUL Apr 16, 13
quote Yay4sean
I'm afraid 90% of the people who play Bioshock (males) would not have nearly as much interest in the game.
Do you have a source for that claim or are you just talking out of your arse?
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Yay4sean Apr 16, 13
quote NUL
quote Yay4sean
I'm afraid 90% of the people who play Bioshock (males) would not have nearly as much interest in the game.
Do you have a source for that claim or are you just talking out of your arse?
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For one, it was a joke, so don't get all up-tight about it. And two, I think we all know there's a considerable % more males playing shooters like Bioshock than females.

But if it makes you feel better, I was in fact "talking out of my arse". Here, let me revise it JUST FOR YOU.

"I'm afraid a large percent of the people who play Bioshock (males) would not have nearly as much interest in the game. Just look at how many people go around saying 'I am in love with Elizabeth!!!11' "
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nipsen Apr 16, 13
And.. ironically... or not ironically, whatever you like.. Elizabeth was made slightly older and "fuller" after "people" complained she was too young to f... sorry.. "too young" on the first screenings.

Anyway - what I want to know is why Bioshock Infinite narrates some sort of White Suburban Youth Reverse Racism horror story. You know, "Ohnoes, we've oppressed everyone we hate for so long, that we must prevent them from ever taking over our freaking Ivory Freudian Tower, or they'll do the same thing to us that we did to them! Just like Jesus says, man! Yalp, yalp, now where's my cappucinocco smoothie, dude?".

That's frankly annoying me to distraction when I'm playing this.. I really start to wonder how these guys actually produced several good projects before this one. Maybe I just misunderstood what they were doing back then.
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RabidChinaGirl Apr 16, 13
quote Yay4sean
I'm afraid 90% of the people who play Bioshock (males) would not have nearly as much interest in the game.
Perhaps, but I've found that the gaming community has evolved along with the games we play. I'm of the belief that if a game is truly well made, it no longer needs to rely on tired old tropes and selling tactics. In a way, BioShock Infinite is already a stellar example of this. Granted, Elizabeth is still a VERY marketable character, but she's also not your stereotypical video game chicken that wears too little and acts too useless.

Sometimes, I'm even pleasantly surprised by my fellow gamers, which does offset the crushing disappointment I usually feel toward them.
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carous Elambra Apr 16, 13
Then Booker DeWitt would have been a lady
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RabidChinaGirl Apr 16, 13
quote carous Elambra
Then Booker DeWitt would have been a lady
Believe me, I thought of that too. But as the article states, Liz's femininity isn't an essential aspect of her character, where as Booker's masculinity is. Given the time period, you'd have to completely rewrite his backstory and experiences were he a woman, while you wouldn't need to for Elizabeth.
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