Neoseeker : News : Miyamoto unconcerned by Wii U sales, says Nintendo didn't focus on online for sake of mass appeal
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lKasHl Mar 20, 13
Dynamite yeah sorry about that, was pretty late at night so I missed the finer points in your argument! Will be sure to double check past 1am in the future
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bbb7002004 Mar 19, 13
It will be quite interesting to see the uptake of the new consoles. I too think that both the PS4 and the next Xbox will have launches very similar to the Wii U, sellouts at launch then major slumps until software can be developed. The amount of detail required by HD games takes either a huge amount of time or a huge amount of people, both of which costs lots of money that simply can't be re-cooped on install bases of a few million.

I just hope this generation is kinder to developers than the previous, especially the middle tier guys. The number of studios that shuttered the past 8 years is just plain ridiculous.
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Spook Mar 19, 13
That's a major thing to take into consideration at this point: right now, WiiU's biggest adversary is speculation of its competition. Until we (as consumers) actually get our hands on PS4/neXt box, all we can really do is compare specs, and not even truly.

I don't think Sony and Microsoft are going to release a complete package either. I'm sure there will be plenty of issues with their consoles as well, at least initially. By that time, Nintendo should have enough of a headstart in the software arena to set themselves apart, as they have in the past.
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Dynamite Mar 19, 13
lKasHl: For sure. I was pretty much referring to the initial uptake in my post. It is an inevitability that as software developers move away from the older generation and onto the new hardware exclusively that people will then follow. This won't happen right away though as they'll still be keen to prioritize releasing games for the systems with the largest market share. It also takes a considerable period to get familiar with the new development tools, etc.

I'm not saying the new generation will flop. I'm just saying that I'm not surprised by the Wii U's frequency of sales up to this point and I think when the PS4 and 720 are released the sales figures won't look as bad as I think you'll see a similar sale rate for those. Miyamoto is right, imo, to be unconcerned with sales figures at this stage. People suggesting that he should be at this point are missing the wider picture.
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lKasHl Mar 19, 13
Woops my bad, read that pretty late at night, got mixed up on technicalities, thanks for pointing it out
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Zombie_Barioth Mar 18, 13
Nobody is saying there will be no uptake, but it will be really slow. Too slow in fact, to drop current gen consoles for a while. Even if developers drop support for them theres easily enough across the board to keep you busy. Development costs are too high to rely on whats likely to be a rather small install base.

Things like video streaming or skype aren't new anymore and just about everything does it these days so those things are no longer selling points, like how the PS3 was the cheapest blue-ray player at the time.
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lKasHl Mar 18, 13
quote Dynamite
I don't think it's realistic to expect this latest generation of consoles to be flying off the shelf akin to the 360/PS3. If you think about it, we've hit the point now where there's some serious diminishing returns in the graphics improvement area. No longer are we seeing the huge discrepancy in graphics like we did from PSX-> PS2 or even PS2 -> PS3/360. This is no longer a point on which sales hinge therefore not a major reason for people to rush out and buy them.

I think it will be a little harder for Nintendo/MS/Sony to sell this emerging generation of consoles because, largely, people are already happy with the features they have. There's only so much you can put into a console and the fact that they already act as entertainment/media hubs, being able to access TV on demand, stream stuff from the Internet, interact with social media, etc. will mean that the more casual audience will see very little reason to switch out their PS3 for a PS4 or 720.

Innovation in games, providing more obscure, but useful, features and attempting to refine existing ones will essentially be what draws people to the next gen. of console. In my opinion, uptake will be slow for all of the new gens. as the gap between them and the current generation is probably smaller than it has ever been.
The uptake will be there, in the end it ultimately comes down to software support. As you pointed out people aren't obligated to upgrade on the basis of improved graphics, especially since its a logarithmic improvement which will continue to see diminishing returns. Once developers drop support on the current gen and game releases start to dry up though, it'll come down to either playing the same limited catalogue of games over and over or upgrading to the latest console and having compatibility with the newest releases. Really I dont know anyone who would be content with the first option (maybe ultra casual gamers?) so I'd say 99% of gamers will eventually be forced to upgrade.

Its similar to what we saw with the PS2/PS3 where PS2 sales exceeded PS3 sales for at least the first few years but ultimately ended up with a massive uptake.

Give it until about the first call of duty that goes next gen exclusive is released
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Dynamite Mar 18, 13
I don't think it's realistic to expect this latest generation of consoles to be flying off the shelf akin to the 360/PS3. If you think about it, we've hit the point now where there's some serious diminishing returns in the graphics improvement area. No longer are we seeing the huge discrepancy in graphics like we did from PSX-> PS2 or even PS2 -> PS3/360. This is no longer a point on which sales hinge therefore not a major reason for people to rush out and buy them.

I think it will be a little harder for Nintendo/MS/Sony to sell this emerging generation of consoles because, largely, people are already happy with the features they have. There's only so much you can put into a console and the fact that they already act as entertainment/media hubs, being able to access TV on demand, stream stuff from the Internet, interact with social media, etc. will mean that the more casual audience will see very little reason to switch out their PS3 for a PS4 or 720.

Innovation in games, providing more obscure, but useful, features and attempting to refine existing ones will essentially be what draws people to the next gen. of console. In my opinion, uptake will be slow for all of the new gens. as the gap between them and the current generation is probably smaller than it has ever been.
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Slash Mar 16, 13
Pretty late to the party Nintendo.
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ashantiqua Mar 13, 13
the wii u just needs awesome first party games to sell the hardware (rehashes/reboots are ok, but dont exactly get the blood flowing), nintendo can then set up some second party deals, and if those are fairly successful, nintendo can then work with 3rd party devs to make exclusives. thats the only way i can see the wii u really thriving: great exclusives.

because next-gen ports to the wii u likely just wont happen: ps4 and xbox 720 tech will likely be vastly more powerful than what the wii u has, meaning any wii u port will require a major rework of the game (costing devs $$$), will be a stripped down version of the original (not the greatest selling point), and if the wii u has a small ass user-base... whats the point?

sounds like nintendo is just trying to buy time right now. take some risks, nintendo! set up a bunch of small internal dev teams to pump out games! realize some will likely fail miserably... but some could very well save the wii u.
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The Blade Slade Mar 13, 13
I feel Nintendo just keeps making bad excuses for doing what they're doing.

I tried with the Wii in 06 when it first came out and was terribly disappointed other than a few good games.

I'm really hoping the Wii U will get back in the game but with it's inferior tech, I fear that won't be happening and it'll end up getting crushed by Sony and MS again. :\

Why nintendo..?
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Zombie_Barioth Mar 13, 13
quote Teh Prick
The only time is he is not smiling is when he's asleep.
I sure hope so, otherwise that'd be pretty creepy.

I've gotta say, Miyamoto has a good point. Things like Facebook and Twitter weren't as big a deal as they are now.While Sony and MS were busy working the kinks out Nintendo was able to watch and take notes on what did or didn't work, while slowly working on their own ideas.

Although there is something to be said about being an early adopter of new technology or services and pushing them into becoming mainstream.
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THM Mar 13, 13
quote lKasHl
quote THM
Well, I just watch CNN and BBC news, both of which describe about 'greed' of CEOs, we're living in a democratic society, FREE to say or judge, comments are just comments.Of course, 'Communists' only define as "inappropriate" or say 'stop' in relation to the subject of CEO.
I'm not sure how you've construed what I said as being supportive of communism or diminishing to democratic rights, all I'm saying is that rather than commenting from a position of ignorance based on what the media, who profit on sensationalising stories, you might want to get further insight into the topic.

Unless of course you'd simply prefer to assume the corporations who own the media are completely objective and full of integrity and stick to an opinion of ignorance (which democratically you are definitely entitled to). Its just disappointing to see how people don't appreciate that democracy also endorses the right to express actual insight and wisdom. Frankly I'm pretty disappointed in you raising such a weak and sensationalist argument THM, I thought alot of your posts I've previously read showed alot of insight.
Now we're talking.

P.S. Yes, I see the good points you made. Bill Gates is good, right!! I agreed, but we always need to look what truly lies behind the curtain of capitalism. We know what power lies behind them! People power or 'money power' or both??

Most importantly, How the world will go on in the next fifty or a thousand years and so on with or without CEOs like Bill Gate or Donald Trump. For me, politics is always about understanding 'truth'.
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lKasHl Mar 12, 13
quote THM
Well, I just watch CNN and BBC news, both of which describe about 'greed' of CEOs, we're living in a democratic society, FREE to say or judge, comments are just comments.Of course, 'Communists' only define as "inappropriate" or say 'stop' in relation to the subject of CEO.
I'm not sure how you've construed what I said as being supportive of communism or diminishing to democratic rights, all I'm saying is that rather than commenting from a position of ignorance based on what the media, who profit on sensationalising stories, you might want to get further insight into the topic.

Unless of course you'd simply prefer to assume the corporations who own the media are completely objective and full of integrity and stick to an opinion of ignorance (which democratically you are definitely entitled to). Its just disappointing to see how people don't appreciate that democracy also endorses the right to express actual insight and wisdom. Frankly I'm pretty disappointed in you raising such a weak and sensationalist argument THM, I thought alot of your posts I've previously read showed alot of insight.
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