Neoseeker : News : Crowdfunded 'Tropes vs. Women in Video Games' docu-series kicks off, first episode deals with damsels
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Marc Mar 7, 13
Took her long enough, eh. Shes purely a business women who advertises her channel and plays the victim card any chance she gets for financial profit. I don't understand how anybody can watch this and see this as an issue. Males and females alike always have "tropes" and stereotypes but to whine about it so much is just asinine seeing as it is purely a first world problem.

And another thing, she throws the word "misogynist" so damn much and calling somebody that alone is 100x more insulting then "mystical pregnancies" or "damsels in distress" in mario games and sci-fi dramas.
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DedValve Mar 7, 13
This video is extremely different from her bayonetta one. One thing being actually good, she uses good examples, raises valid points, doesn't come across as ignorant or extremely biased. It was a good video in terms of discussion value and topic on hand.

That said for all the money she asked for and even more money she got I expected her to use information she didn't get from 30 minutes of surfing tvtropes.
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RabidChinaGirl Mar 7, 13
quote Ded Valve
That said for all the money she asked for and even more money she got I expected her to use information she didn't get from 30 minutes of surfing tvtropes.
It probably went toward the entire project rather than a single episode, I'm sure. I'm curious to see more.
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Axe Mar 7, 13
While I can understand why comments are disabled, I'm disappointed that I can't leave my opinion on the video's page. There isn't really much I disagree with. At least, not as much as I expected to.

I kinda see the issue as one of bad storytelling, though. It's a bit of a cliche.
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RabidChinaGirl Mar 7, 13
quote Axe
While I can understand why comments are disabled, I'm disappointed that I can't leave my opinion on the video's page. There isn't really much I disagree with. At least, not as much as I expected to.

I kinda see the issue as one of bad storytelling, though. It's a bit of a cliche.
That's a bit disappointing, yeah. But whenever an uploader disables videos, I tend to understand why. In this case, she probably just doesn't want a ton of horrible threats and flames derailing the discussion she's trying to start. If people want to fight, let them do it elsewhere!
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Defection Mar 7, 13
quote Marc
Took her long enough, eh. Shes purely a business women who advertises her channel and plays the victim card any chance she gets for financial profit. I don't understand how anybody can watch this and see this as an issue. Males and females alike always have "tropes" and stereotypes but to whine about it so much is just asinine seeing as it is purely a first world problem.

And another thing, she throws the word "misogynist" so damn much and calling somebody that alone is 100x more insulting then "mystical pregnancies" or "damsels in distress" in mario games and sci-fi dramas.
I agree completely.
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Wakaman Mar 7, 13
Did she really just say that a man is not naturally stronger than a woman, did she really say that was a myth?
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snowgim Mar 7, 13
quote RabidChinaGirl
That's a bit disappointing, yeah. But whenever an uploader disables videos, I tend to understand why. In this case, she probably just doesn't want a ton of horrible threats and flames derailing the discussion she's trying to start. If people want to fight, let them do it elsewhere!
I hate it when people disable comments and likes. It's basically saying she's not willing to stand up for her arguments in a discussion. I don't understand it, just ignore threats and flames, it's just people being stupid, it's the internet! And people derailing the discussion is better than not allowing any discussion at all.
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Praetorian_Lord Mar 8, 13
quote Marc
Took her long enough, eh. Shes purely a business women who advertises her channel and plays the victim card any chance she gets for financial profit. I don't understand how anybody can watch this and see this as an issue. Males and females alike always have "tropes" and stereotypes but to whine about it so much is just asinine seeing as it is purely a first world problem.

And another thing, she throws the word "misogynist" so damn much and calling somebody that alone is 100x more insulting then "mystical pregnancies" or "damsels in distress" in mario games and sci-fi dramas.
I disagree completely.
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Lorx Mar 8, 13
Well that was a disappointment. Started the video with as much of an open mind as I could muster, but...wow. By the time she mentioned the first damsel, I already knew the story and route.

Don't get me wrong, I love hearing about how to make good games, design, characters, whatever, but explaining some history behind a character that was scrapped in favor of Fox McCloud, attempting to explain the reasoning for anything other than utilizing an existing IP to boost sales of a rather sub-par game, is hogwash. It's trying to pin an argument where there is no actual reason to pin it.

Yes, there are bad games made. Yes, there are bad games that use "S*x Sells" as a marketing strategy. This is not anything new or secret, it's done in everything. Movies, TV, Music, Books, you name it, somebody's produced trash for it. Do we need to get all up in a huff every time it happens? No, it's trash. It'll sell because s-x sells, if you want to change that, take it up with whatever you believe made humans. God, Allah, Primordial Ooze, whatever. Though I don't think Ooze could hold the other side of a conversation well. Alternatively, go picket the broader issue, instead of picking on a media form which already has developed a thick skin to being called shallow or immature. The one mass media industry that's most used to fighting back and/or not caring in the first place about people trying to spread how it's bad or evil in some way or another.

Pinning Zelda as a character that "needs to be a hero/powerful/empowered/whatever" was a pretty good laugh, since I'm currently playing through Ocarina of Time 3D, and meeting Sheik. Was playing Brawl last week too, against a Sheik player.

Oh, and OH MAN don't forget Sonic CD being resold on modern platforms! Even though Amy Rose is a heroine of the series and rarely ever becomes a damsel in distress. Usually because of character development in which she tends to break herself out of the problem in order to try and win the heart of the hedgehog she loves, for his personality. She had a really good sidestory in the old comics about that, where she learned a bit about being mature and a responsible human being, or hedgehog, or whatever. Loved that story. Seriously though, even discounting the comics that's a hit and a miss, this is her video game chronology:
("playable character" = no real plot anyway/nothing else to describe about her involvement)
  • Sonic CD - Damsel in Distress
  • Sonic the Fighters - Beats stuff up with a Hammer
  • Sonic Adventure - Goes on a quest to find/defend a bird's family from the evil doctor
  • Sonic Adventure 2- She frees Sonic...who is the Dude in Distress
  • Sonic Advance 1,2&3 - Playable character, not in distress
  • Sonic Heroes - leads a squad against evil to try and win the heart of her crush
  • Shadow the Hedgehog - Supporting character who tries convincing Shadow to not be an idiot
  • Sonic '06 - Again, rescues Sonic from certain death
  • Sonic Riders - Playable character
  • Sonic and the Secret Rings - Playable character
  • Sonic Chronicles - Playable character
  • Sonic Unleashed - Again, is essential in rescuing Sonic from evil
  • Sonic and the Black Knight - Random cutscene insert
  • Mario & Sonic Olympics - Playable character
  • Sega Superstars Tennis - Playable character
  • Sonic & Sega Allstars Racing - Playable character
  • Sonic Colors - Cutscene insert
  • Sonic Generations - Kidnapped...along with plenty of other males, females, etc.
  • Sonic & Sega Allstars Racing Transformed - Playable character
So, she's what, Damsel in Distress for one game, out of all of that. Why did this woman get paid to half-research a job, if that's even half? I am ashamed. The above was ten seconds of research. Somehow, people paid this woman to make a rather good character design, look like damsel in distress pandering. Wow.

Note: All of the good games on this list, as well as a number of the bad ones, are also available on the platforms she pins to the wall. I should know, I have a few.

Also just as a technicality, only in specific regions does Sonic CD feature Amy Rose as the damsel, which means depending on your version of the game locally, she's never actually been the damsel. (Princess Sally was the other variant apparently)

I don't know where the money she got from Kickstarter went, but I see better researched, and better presented material on a weekly basis on Youtube without any pandering on kickstarter.
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Aulis Vaara Mar 8, 13
You have people paying you to make this and still you can't be arsed to actually look at this topic from another perspective?

This is not even remotely a good video. What about the tropes subversions and aversions? You only want to see the ones you that emphasize your point? That's rather narrowminded for someone who's attacking narrowmindedness, isn't it? What about characters such as Samus Aran, Alyx Vance, or even Lara Croft? Do they not count or something?
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rachellette Mar 8, 13
In a lot of games, the world has to be saved. This reduces the world, and all it's inhabitants to nothing more than an object, a prize to be won. A lot of times the police and army etc are useless, destroyed within a few minutes, and often a single person is able to do what whole armies were not

Yeah, I found this boring. How much money did she get to make this? I hope it gets better
and moves away from "blah, bla, blah, SEXISM"

I thin it has less to do with /what/ needs saving, or /who/ needs stopping, and more to do with making the player feel heroic etc.

Now I'm going to go make a sammich.
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Demonfurby Mar 8, 13
Disappointing but not bad. It was decent. I'd like to see more explored. She made some obvious points but nothing more for the most part. Still, it was an introduction of the series so it's not unexpected.

quote Aulis Vaara
You have people paying you to make this and still you can't be arsed to actually look at this topic from another perspective?

This is not even remotely a good video. What about the tropes subversions and aversions? You only want to see the ones you that emphasize your point? That's rather narrowminded for someone who's attacking narrowmindedness, isn't it? What about characters such as Samus Aran, Alyx Vance, or even Lara Croft? Do they not count or something?
It's part 1 of a series of 12. Wait until they're all out before making those assumptions. If you watched the entire thing she hinted at aversions to the trope in the next part.
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Fatherbrain30 Mar 8, 13
Sadly, even if she raises valid points, she can never be taken seriously.
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