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KR_1250 Mar 11, 13
quote KR_1250
I havnt been scared by a movie or game in years.
Sorry to quote myself here but I must be honest and rebuke my previous statement. I have had many scares playing dead space in the last week. OK so it might be the cheap "monster in a closet" type scare but hey, these developers have turned that into a grotesque and imaginative form of art!

Bravo Dead space developers. Bravo indeed! Best games I have played in a long time.

Oh and on the case of multiplayer passes. Anyone who argues that game developers lose money or that these are justifiable should perhaps consider the following:

You buy a house. This house is most likely used. You go to take a shit and your toilet lid is clamped down tight with a sign reading "You must buy an additional toilet pass to use this feature as the original greedy builders of the house do not make money on re-sales"

You buy a used car. You are driving down the motorway and go to switch into 5th gear when a sign flags up on the dashboard saying "I'm sorry, you must purchase a 5th gear pass to change gear now as the greedy manufacturer makes no money on this resale"

Sounds stupid right? You'd need to be some kind of moronic twat brained retard to agree with it huh? So why accept the exact same logic with games? Have a think people. Try to see the bigger picture.

And sure they may make £10 off of each re-sale. But who is counting the losses on players who don’t buy the game BECAUSE of the pass? I mean sure EA and DICE for example may have a department of marketers who guestimate this kind of crap, but how can the average gamer possibly support this without doing some pretty serious financial and economic back study and homework? How do you supporters even know its working?

In my group of friends I know ONE person who purchased EA's multiplayer pass for Battlefield3. So that’s them UP by £10. But I know 4 dedicated gamers who refused to buy the game outright because they couldn’t rent it first. They did not want to buy a used copy, they'd have bought new had a multiplayer rental been immediately available. That’s EA lost £160 NOT including potential DLC purchases. Not only that but the wankish attitude behind it puts people off regardless of anything else to do with the game. Many will not even give it a chance.

So you supporters, can you disprove any of this logic? Can you show unequivocally that the scheme even works?

So in reality we can’t justify it in regard to other products, and we can’t even verify wither or not the multiplayer pass system even makes more money than it loses through at least two identifiable routes. You'd need to be a... well... gullible person shall we say, to support this.

I choose my words carefully. Feel free to read more into that.
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Fortitudo Mar 11, 13
quote KR_1250
quote KR_1250
I havnt been scared by a movie or game in years.
Sorry to quote myself here but I must be honest and rebuke my previous statement. I have had many scares playing dead space in the last week. OK so it might be the cheap "monster in a closet" type scare but hey, these developers have turned that into a grotesque and imaginative form of art!

Bravo Dead space developers. Bravo indeed! Best games I have played in a long time.

Oh and on the case of multiplayer passes. Anyone who argues that game developers lose money or that these are justifiable should perhaps consider the following:

You buy a house. This house is most likely used. You go to take a shit and your toilet lid is clamped down tight with a sign reading "You must buy an additional toilet pass to use this feature as the original greedy builders of the house do not make money on re-sales"

You buy a used car. You are driving down the motorway and go to switch into 5th gear when a sign flags up on the dashboard saying "I'm sorry, you must purchase a 5th gear pass to change gear now as the greedy manufacturer makes no money on this resale"

Sounds stupid right? You'd need to be some kind of moronic twat brained retard to agree with it huh? So why accept the exact same logic with games? Have a think people. Try to see the bigger picture.

And sure they may make £10 off of each re-sale. But who is counting the losses on players who don’t buy the game BECAUSE of the pass? I mean sure EA and DICE for example may have a department of marketers who guestimate this kind of crap, but how can the average gamer possibly support this without doing some pretty serious financial and economic back study and homework? How do you supporters even know its working?

In my group of friends I know ONE person who purchased EA's multiplayer pass for Battlefield3. So that’s them UP by £10. But I know 4 dedicated gamers who refused to buy the game outright because they couldn’t rent it first. They did not want to buy a used copy, they'd have bought new had a multiplayer rental been immediately available. That’s EA lost £160 NOT including potential DLC purchases. Not only that but the wankish attitude behind it puts people off regardless of anything else to do with the game. Many will not even give it a chance.

So you supporters, can you disprove any of this logic? Can you show unequivocally that the scheme even works?

So in reality we can’t justify it in regard to other products, and we can’t even verify wither or not the multiplayer pass system even makes more money than it loses through at least two identifiable routes. You'd need to be a... well... gullible person shall we say, to support this.

I choose my words carefully. Feel free to read more into that.
Prepare for Pro-EA fag Slash to come and stupidly counter your argument.
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KR_1250 Mar 11, 13
quote CTTR champion
Prepare for Pro-EA fag Slash to come and stupidly counter your argument.
Oh i hope so.

I want someone to explain to me how this is justifiable. OR how it is a guarentee'd way of making money. OR for someone to show me decent stats and fugures which support that argument.

I mean my BF3 example was not made up, i have four hardcore FPS playin mates who have never even played BF3 because of this. Where have they went instead? Surprise surprise. COD.

Way to make your major competitor MORE popular EA.

EDIT: I was hit with this myself over the weekend. Having just finished Dead Space 1. One of the greatest games i have ever played i went out looking for a new or used copy of Dead Space 2. THE HARDEST GAME TO FIND ON PLANET EARTH. I went to about 20 shops and phoned another 5 or 6 and could not find a copy anywhere in Glasgow.

So i ordered a new one over amazon.com which wont arrive for a couple of days. In the mean time i have borrowed a mates copy. And low and behold i need a code to play online. Luckily i am not so interested in multiplayer and am more interested in the campaign.
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Zombie_Barioth Mar 11, 13
Good luck, I can't even convince certain people that there are indeed people who actually think $60 is too much for a game.

I'm willing to bet thats one of the first things someone will use to try to debunk your post.

In fact, just in case I'm going to go ahead and point something out right now.
You can say "but development costs" all you want, but if someone thinks somethings too much, they simply won't buy it. Its not the consumer's fault if you go out of business because you spent too much on your product.
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Slash Mar 11, 13
quote CTTR champion
Prepare for Pro-EA fag Slash
lol so mad


quote KR_1250
You buy a house. This house is most likely used. You go to take a shit and your toilet lid is clamped down tight with a sign reading "You must buy an additional toilet pass to use this feature as the original greedy builders of the house do not make money on re-sales"

You buy a used car. You are driving down the motorway and go to switch into 5th gear when a sign flags up on the dashboard saying "I'm sorry, you must purchase a 5th gear pass to change gear now as the greedy manufacturer makes no money on this resale"
Guess what.
No one is forcing you to buy those stuff.
You don't have to support online passes but you're saying sales are suffering because of online passes?
Is that why more and more companies are starting to use Online Passes because they want to see their games to sell less? : confused:
Oh and your friends could have rented the game to see how it was like and than searched up the online modes available and searched up videos to see if the online was broken or not.
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Fortitudo Mar 11, 13
quote Slash
quote CTTR champion
Prepare for Pro-EA fag Slash
lol so mad


quote KR_1250
You buy a house. This house is most likely used. You go to take a shit and your toilet lid is clamped down tight with a sign reading "You must buy an additional toilet pass to use this feature as the original greedy builders of the house do not make money on re-sales"

You buy a used car. You are driving down the motorway and go to switch into 5th gear when a sign flags up on the dashboard saying "I'm sorry, you must purchase a 5th gear pass to change gear now as the greedy manufacturer makes no money on this resale"
Guess what. My use of punctuation is astonishing.
No one is forcing you to buy those stuff.
You don't have to support online passes but you're saying sales are suffering because of online passes?
Is that why more and more companies are starting to use Online Passes because they want to see their games to sell less? : confused:
Oh and your friends could have rented the game to see how it was like and than searched up the online modes available and searched up videos to see if the online was broken or not.
THQ is gone, some of that loss must from the online pass system being included into their games and EA are struggling to rise back up in profits since the Stock Market Crash of 07 or 08 when surely a company like EA should stay afloat.

I really dont see why you support this idea.

The word 'fag' was not used in the sense that i'm mad, I use it to describe people a lot.
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Slash Mar 11, 13
quote CTTR champion
THQ is gone, some of that loss must from the online pass system being included into their games
Nope.

This is what killed them.


quote CTTR champion
I really dont see why you support this idea.
I don't support Online Passes but I just find it funny when you don't pay the full price of a game and then expect to have everything.
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Duncan Idaho Mar 11, 13
quote Slash
I see you still love to troll people
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KR_1250 Mar 12, 13
quote Slash
Guess what.
No one is forcing you to buy those stuff.
GUESS WHAT?
I need a crap... what are we doing? Just sprouting useless random facts which have nothing to do with the point?

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You don't have to support online passes but you're saying sales are suffering because of online passes?
Nope. I was suggesting those forum members supporting online passes do not have access to adequate figures supporting that stance. I.E fanboyism and little else. No-one knows wither or not they work.

I was suggesting it COULD BE harming sales. I have neither seen supporting figures nor heard a convincing argument to adequately prove either premise.

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Is that why more and more companies are starting to use Online Passes because they want to see their games to sell less?
Are you suggesting that a numerical superiority in any given situation is automatically evidence supporting the correct moral and financial reasons to take that action? Rather simplistic.

Unless you have figures to back your argument up, which you dont, then you cant possibly claim to know wither or not they work. Simply pointing saying "Look what they do" is not any kind of supporting evidence to your case. It would be patronising of me to simply cherry pick the thousands of situations where a numerically large population have supported something which later turned out to be a bad idea. So i'll refrain.

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Oh and your friends could have rented the game to see how it was like and than searched up the online modes available and searched up videos to see if the online was broken or not.
Well i'm glad they dont follow that logic. They would then have discovered (or not discovered due to needing a pass) that the single player is nothing like multiplayer. They may as well be different games. And a youtube video is NEVER going to show them how the game reacts to their own connection and setup. Not the best advice i have heard.

Not only that but your finishing premice is also wrong. I never pay full price for EA games because of their bullshit and i always get what i want out of them. I purposfully wait to download or purchase new copies cheaper, or buy used copies where i can and never buy them new at release just to make sure EA doesnt get all of my money.

Not only that but i recieved my copy of Dead Space 2 yesterday (And EA only got a share of £15), plugged in my nazi bastard Gestapo pass code and the online doesnt work LOL. At all. I got 20 mins of messages and invites from other pissed of gamers trying to get into lobbies. And the DS2 forums also seem to state it just doesnt work and never really did. Sort of the icing on the "passes are bad ideas" cake if you ask me. They cant even make it work. Imagine someone were to purchase a multiplayer code seperately and have the entire game mode fail... Do you think that would reflect positively next time someone was to purchase and EA game?

It could be even worse with BF3. Imagine someone with an older X-Box rents or borrows BF3 then purchases a multiplayer pass code. No-where does it tell them when buying the code that they have to download around 15Gb of data before they can play with mates. Depending on their hard drive we now have another case of someone giving EA money for nothing useful in return. Another stupid oversight. Amazing how you can morally back EA, but see no issue with that.

Awesome post Slash.
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Fortitudo Mar 12, 13
quote Slash
quote CTTR champion
THQ is gone, some of that loss must from the online pass system being included into their games
Nope.

This is what killed them.


quote CTTR champion
I really dont see why you support this idea.
I don't support Online Passes but I just find it funny when you don't pay the full price of a game and then expect to have everything.
Oh yeah, That was quite shitty but think, this online pass, DRM and Disc-DLC craze is causing piracy to rocket because people don't want to have to pay to play online, have to always be online to play or expect to pay for something that is already on the disc. (Sorry i strayed afar there)

We don't have everything even if we pay full price anyway with EA, Capcom, THQ etc. because there is DLC already on the disc that we have to wait and pay to unlock it and this is where i say.

"I'M SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU OVER MY FROM ASHES DLC , SOME RE6 DLC AND MOST OF THE SAINTS ROW: THE THIRD DLC THAT WAS ALREADY ON MY DISCS."

People cannot pay full price for a game every time a new one comes out and remember they don't keep making the game forever, so there will be a time when there are never new versions of it anymore. They might not be as rich as me and you and that isn't fair on the consumers if you don't give them everything because you didn't pay full price. It didn't happen back in the PS2 & Xbox generation, so why should it now? So what do these people do? Buy it used because they can afford it, or pirate it because its free and they have their Xbox or PS3 modded.
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Duncan Idaho Mar 12, 13
KR_1250 CTTR champion Slash is a troll, go and ask in the pokemon forums, ask jeevs, fluffsk1lls and every other person there, why you guys keep trying to argue with him?, recently he went and trolled the *bleep* out of reborn server
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Zombie_Barioth Mar 12, 13
quote CTTR champion
Oh yeah, That was quite shitty but think, this online pass, DRM and Disc-DLC craze is causing piracy to rocket because people don't want to have to pay to play online, have to always be online to play or expect to pay for something that is already on the disc. (Sorry i strayed afar there)
Sadly its a never ending cycle. Publishers implement DRM to curb hacking and piracy, which in turn causes the pirates to find a way to crack it. In doing so they cause the publishers to crack down even harder which only serves to spur on the pirates, its a fruitless endeavor in which neither side is willing to stop unless the opposing side gives in.

You raise an interesting question, why do they insist on punishing people who don't buy their games day 1? Is it because they can, therefore they think they should? Past console weren't capable of such a thing, but its readily apparent current one are. The only answer I can give without a doubt is that they're more concerned with raking in short-term profit than establishing a steady source of income from a reliable fan-base.
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Fortitudo Mar 12, 13
quote Duncan Idaho
KR_1250 CTTR champion Slash is a troll, go and ask in the pokemon forums, ask jeevs, fluffsk1lls and every other person there, why you guys keep trying to argue with him?, recently he went and trolled the *bleep* out of reborn server
I dont know but his points are starting to look less serious and more trolling.
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Duncan Idaho Mar 12, 13
quote CTTR champion
quote Duncan Idaho
KR_1250 CTTR champion Slash is a troll, go and ask in the pokemon forums, ask jeevs, fluffsk1lls and every other person there, why you guys keep trying to argue with him?, recently he went and trolled the *bleep* out of reborn server
I dont know but his points are starting to look less serious and more trolling.
... that is his MO, he will probably end with U mad bro? and then with a stupid reference on how he considers charizard 4 ubers.
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Fortitudo Mar 12, 13
quote Duncan Idaho
quote CTTR champion
quote Duncan Idaho
KR_1250 CTTR champion Slash is a troll, go and ask in the pokemon forums, ask jeevs, fluffsk1lls and every other person there, why you guys keep trying to argue with him?, recently he went and trolled the *bleep* out of reborn server
I dont know but his points are starting to look less serious and more trolling.
... that is his MO, he will probably end with U mad bro? and then with a stupid reference on how he considers charizard 4 ubers.
Not if i can do it first.

Slash, U MAD BRO? Charizard is for ubers.
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