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BlackLabel Feb 23, 13
quote Phil Anselmo
Everything I've read suggests otherwise, in that the SRAM will compensate very well for Microsoft's decision to go with DDR3.

But remember, two months ago the PS3 was supposed to only have 4gb of RAM. Specs can change. We'll have to wait until late April it seems.

EDIT: After reading this, I don't know what to believe.
Wow the specs in that link are insane.. I had a look at what that site sourced and it brought me here now on this it talks in detail about what this guy proposed for PS4.

PS4 Tech Specs
An APU with a fast GPU.
4GB of DDR3 RAM.
4GB of GDDR5 RAM.
CPU is an x86 system with 256-bit bus.
A more off the shelf design than the modded Xbox 720. "We all feel Omni is more of a pc in it design."
Capable of 3.2TFlops of data.
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So what did he get right..

He got the fact that PS4 uses an APU with a fast GPU right. He got the fact it was an x86 system correct and that PS4 is more like a PC. He also got half the RAM right as well with GDDR5..

What did he get wrong..

The DDR3 RAM and the power output of the system, there is no way on earth PS4 is pushing 3.2 teraFLOPS of overall performance.

Okay so he go most of it right and some of it wrong. I'm not sure if that actually helps at all in knowing if this guy is telling the truth or not. If we go back to his proposed Xbox 720 specs for a moment;

Xbox 720 Tech Specs
Three SOCs in one console. Two "Venus" models, and one "Mars".
8GB RAM, with 1GB devoted to operating system.
Mars SOC - System SOC

GPU AMD 8850 spec GPU clocked at 600mhz
4 core CPU is clocked @ 1.8GHz. It is an x86 system.
Audio DSP
2 of Venus SOC - Application SOC

GPU AMD 8900 spec GPU clocked at 800mhz with 10000HD series future tech
4 core CPU is clocked @ 2.5GHz
1.5 Gb of GDDR5 ram on each SOC (total 3GB) clocked @ 1.2Ghz
Common factors

4GB of DDR4 RAM with 384 bit bus
Ray tracing chip
High speed blitter with 510 GB/s bandwidth between SOCs
EDRAM
Power brick is 300 watts, but SDKs are looking at 230 watts used.
Capable of 4.2TFlops of data.
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Now that certainly looks like what we'd expect from a console of old with the overpowered for cheap mindset Sony used to go with. It's certainly powerful and exciting to read, though I just think it's reads more like a shopping list of what a gamer wishes next-gen will be and not what it will be. I mean two GPU's, two CPU's I mean that's just crazy. If that's legit and it could be as the guy got more than half the PS4 specs right then Xbox 720 is a beast.
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Shinobi_razor Feb 23, 13
i highly doubt the leaked specs are completely accurate. and even if they are, you cant really know the difference until you see both systems playing the same game side by side. 720 will run beautiful looking games and have much farther draw distances than this current gen, so no need to get caught up on what system has better specs like Sony fanboys always do.
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Phil Anselmo Feb 23, 13
quote BlackLabel
The Xbox 720's main memory is DDR3 and 8Gb at a speed 2033Mhz outputs a bandwidth of 68Gb/s. What gives the Xbox 720 that bandwidth increase is the 32Mb of ESRAM which will help a bit but not as much as it looks on paper. Yes on paper the 32Mb ESRAM with a bandwidth of 102Gb/s gives the system a total of 170Gb/s bandwidth, but that 32Mb isn't going to do all that much.
Everything I've read suggests otherwise, in that the SRAM will compensate very well for Microsoft's decision to go with DDR3.

But remember, two months ago the PS3 was supposed to only have 4gb of RAM. Specs can change. We'll have to wait until late April it seems.

EDIT: After reading this, I don't know what to believe.
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BlackLabel Feb 23, 13
Phil Anselmo, I get my figures from Digital Foundry who are usually the best at breaking down tech. The Xbox 720's main memory is DDR3 and 8Gb at a speed 2033Mhz outputs a bandwidth of 68Gb/s. What gives the Xbox 720 that bandwidth increase is the 32Mb of ESRAM, which will help a bit but not as much as it looks on paper. Yes on paper the 32Mb ESRAM, with a bandwidth of 102Gb/s gives the system a total of 170Gb/s bandwidth, but that 32Mb isn't going to do all that much.

The biggest issue is the graphics card, and current leaks have the graphics card in the 720 at 50% weaker, it has less compute units, runs slower and yields less power. Now I'm not a mathematician and I go only on what the experts at Digital Foundry say, but they don't get things wrong often and if they say the PS4 is 50% more powerful based on current 720 leaks, then I'm more inclined to agree with them. Though that said I am willing to admit to being wrong if in April the Xbox 720 has it's unveiling and everything is different, I'll even send you a PM admitting I was wrong lol.

As for the PS3 thing there is very good reason why the PS3 being close to twice as powerful in certain areas meant nothing, and that's because it was hard to develop for. This time if PS4 really is more powerful, that won't be an issue as PS4 is utilising the x86 platform which from a programming sense is simple. Overall I hope that I am wrong and that Digital Foundry are wrong, as a system launching less powerful will affect how advanced multi-platform games can be and I don't want that.
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harshpaper Feb 23, 13
Meh..probably much like sonymicrosoft domain net debunked as long time ago, period.
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Phil Anselmo Feb 23, 13
quote BlackLabel
quote Phil Anselmo
quote Aussie Legend
All I got to hope is that Microsoft watched Sony's conference and goes out and buys hardware that beats the PS4 technically wise, because if they come out at with their leaked specs after seeing the PS4 its gonna be an absolute joke.
Did I miss something? Last time I looked at the specs for both they looked very similar.
Leaked specs have the Xbox 720 as a vastly weaker system..

The CPU's in both Xbox 720 and PS4 are similar utilising an 8-Core AMD CPU at 1.6Ghz but that is where everything changes.

PS4 has a GPU featuring 18 compute units and is based on the HD 7870 running at 1.84 teraFLOPS. The Xbox 720 GPU has 12 compute units and is based on the HD 6670 running at 1.2 teraFLOPS.

The PS4 has 8Gb GDDR5 RAM running at 176Gb/s and Xbox 720 has 8Gb DDR3 running at 68Gb/s.

Now of course the Xbox 720 specs are based on rumour but the guy that leaked the specs got raided by the FBI on Microsoft's behalf. If the leak was harmless Microsoft would have ignored him but instead they raided him adding a substantial amount of credibility to his leak. As of right now if the leak is accurate and nothing has changed since then, it makes Xbox 720 is 50% less powerful than PS4 based on everything we know about PS4 now.
How do you calculate that percentage?

And I'm far from a computer engineer, and I don't play one on the internet, but this post seems to suggest otherwise. Also, not sure where you got your 68gb/s, but this article says the "Durango" will have a grand total of 170GB/s of bandwidth.

All in all, we won't be able to differentiate between the two until the consoles & games are released. The PS3 was supposed to be 10,000,000x more powerful than the X360, and we all know how that turned out.
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Tommy Vercetti Feb 23, 13
Halo Dancing
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Yay4sean Feb 23, 13
Halo 5, now on Kinect!
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Forlorn Drifter Feb 23, 13
I've never been considering a PlayStation so much...

What is the world coming to?! Aghast!
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BlackLabel Feb 23, 13
quote Phil Anselmo
quote Aussie Legend
All I got to hope is that Microsoft watched Sony's conference and goes out and buys hardware that beats the PS4 technically wise, because if they come out at with their leaked specs after seeing the PS4 its gonna be an absolute joke.
Did I miss something? Last time I looked at the specs for both they looked very similar.
Leaked specs have the Xbox 720 as a vastly weaker system..

The CPU's in both Xbox 720 and PS4 are similar utilising an 8-Core AMD CPU at 1.6Ghz but that is where everything changes.

PS4 has a GPU featuring 18 compute units and is based on the HD 7870 running at 1.84 teraFLOPS. The Xbox 720 GPU has 12 compute units and is based on the HD 6670 running at 1.2 teraFLOPS.

The PS4 has 8Gb GDDR5 RAM running at 176Gb/s and Xbox 720 has 8Gb DDR3 running at 68Gb/s.

Now of course the Xbox 720 specs are based on rumour but the guy that leaked the specs got raided by the FBI on Microsoft's behalf. If the leak was harmless Microsoft would have ignored him but instead they raided him adding a substantial amount of credibility to his leak. As of right now if the leak is accurate and nothing has changed since then, it makes Xbox 720 is 50% less powerful than PS4 based on everything we know about PS4 now.
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Phil Anselmo Feb 23, 13
quote Aussie Legend
All I got to hope is that Microsoft watched Sony's conference and goes out and buys hardware that beats the PS4 technically wise, because if they come out at with their leaked specs after seeing the PS4 its gonna be an absolute joke.
Did I miss something? Last time I looked at the specs for both they looked very similar.
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Aussie Legend Feb 23, 13
All I got to hope is that Microsoft watched Sony's conference and goes out and buys hardware that beats the PS4 technically wise, because if they come out at with their leaked specs after seeing the PS4 its gonna be an absolute joke. I'd quicker get a WiiU then pick up a 720 with what I'm hearing, but again, not going to harshly judge the thing until we get a concrete look at it.

I'm honestly not hopeful at all looking at Microsoft's previous trends towards not giving the slightest shit about games and moving towards being a friggin cable company and a wannabe Wii, but I will reserve my purchasing judgement until April.
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DedValve Feb 23, 13
April 20th Sega will hold a secret surprise, apple like event announcing the DreamStation, a next generation console that doubles as the first official "steambox" by Valve and Sega joining forces. It will have Half life 3, Shenmue 3, Sonic Adventure 3 and more.

The release date? *bleep*ing April 21st, just like the dreamcast.



...my dreamworld kicks ass.
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ziemlaj Feb 23, 13
Like BlackLabel said if this xbox will be 50% less powerful than PS4 and they mainly focus on Kinect 2 it will be totally waste of their time, and our money
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Emaster MK Feb 23, 13
quote Dragoon
There all at it now. Next we'll get a surprise announcement of a Sega Event and they're entry into the next generation console having been absent for 20 years.
I was thinking about it, would make the whole world freeze in awe.
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