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I'm pretty sure it won't be compatible with current Xbox 360 games or some Xbox games like Halo 2!!!

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quote Phil Anselmo

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Microsoft can have the best specs but I won't buy it if you still have to pay for online lol
Plus IMO Sony and Nintendo have better exclusives then Microsoft's

Don't be surprised if Sony charges for their new online service.

Nah they won't.

I heard somewhere that Sony will put a charge on using a PSN but it only because they want to implement new option or generally improve it. Don't sure what exactly they want to improve it.

If they do that then I'll be picking up a Wii U before the PS4. :V

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Microsoft can have the best specs but I won't buy it if you still have to pay for online lol
Plus IMO Sony and Nintendo have better exclusives then Microsoft's

Don't be surprised if Sony charges for their new online service.

Nah they won't.

Rumours are they will and even when asked Shuhei Yoshida CEO/President of Sony Computer Entertainment didn't want to answer that question and he's the most open guy in gaming. Taken from the Eurogamer interview with Mr. Yoshida.

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Eurogamer: Are you going to change the way that you do PSN so there's a subscription multiplayer service like Xbox Live? Because that's the rumour today.

Shuhei Yoshida: We are still working on service plans or features so we are not ready to talk about that yet.

Now this is a guy that in the same interview flat out debunked the used game rumour and many other things but wouldn't definitively answer something as serious in PlayStation gamers minds. If Sony weren't charging he'd have said no, instead he perpetuated the rumour with a none answer which is completely unlike him.

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Microsoft can have the best specs but I won't buy it if you still have to pay for online lol
Plus IMO Sony and Nintendo have better exclusives then Microsoft's

Don't be surprised if Sony charges for their new online service.

Nah they won't.

I am going to predict that both Sony and Microsoft charge for their online services but that both will make online gaming free. The reason I predict this is that both Sony and Microsoft will have a lot of premium content that is expensive to keep running like GaiKai for PS4. If Sony and Microsoft can make £49.99 a year seem worth it then gamers may not have a problem paying it.

What I also predict and this is more a Sony prediction as we don't know what Microsoft have planned yet, is that the £49.99 a year will also offer up a PS+ style free game incentive. This could be the same 65 game* a year incentive of current PS+ augmented by a small list of stream-able titles that changes every month. Things like that don't cost Sony much especially the streaming content as it would be PS3 titles mostly, but if it gets people subscribing to pay for the running of GaiKai then it's a good deal for all parties.

*65 games is what PS+ offers currently, I don't actually expect a PS+ style service on PSN to start with that many titles as Sony want people buying games, if they gave away 65 games a year from the start almost an entire years worth of releases would be free and that's not gonna work.

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Microsoft can have the best specs but I won't buy it if you still have to pay for online lol
Plus IMO Sony and Nintendo have better exclusives then Microsoft's

Don't be surprised if Sony charges for their new online service.

And judging from your signature... yeah.

Microsoft can have the best specs but I won't buy it if you still have to pay for online lol
Plus IMO Sony and Nintendo have better exclusives then Microsoft's

quote Big A2

Obviously Microsoft isn't simply just trying to just rush out whatever loose information they have on their next console to compete with Sony.

Right, because this has never happened before & marketing ploys have never been similar between two companies in direct competition.

quote Balmung

Hmm a 6670 is about 70 USD and a 7870 is about 220-240 ish. Microsoft may be playing it smart and going for a lower price point. Not to mention 8Gb ddr3>8gb gddr5

I'm not sure "playing it smart" would be the way to describe it. Sure console gamers aren't the most discerning when it comes to graphical fidelity, but shipping with 1/2 the power of your main competition and calling your product "next gen" is a bold statement for even Microsoft to pull off, unless the price is literally half that off the PS4 or they have some magic way of differentiating themselves from anything seen in the console realm.

On the other hand if its true and everything is running x86 it'll be like having 3x computers on the market, the the XBOX and PS4 shipping as budget hardware and mid range hardware respectively and the PC taking low/mid/high end. OHHHHH happy days, everything will be unified and optimised at last

Obviously Microsoft isn't simply just trying to just rush out whatever loose information they have on their next console to compete with Sony.

quote Zombie_Barioth

but if they really start pushing Kinect and the social/multimedia aspect of the "720" over the games then I'm probably going to steer clear of it.

Same. I just don't think that'll be the case. Kinect is popular, but that's not what sold all those X360's.

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quote Aussie Legend

All I got to hope is that Microsoft watched Sony's conference and goes out and buys hardware that beats the PS4 technically wise, because if they come out at with their leaked specs after seeing the PS4 its gonna be an absolute joke.

Did I miss something? Last time I looked at the specs for both they looked very similar.

Leaked specs have the Xbox 720 as a vastly weaker system..

The CPU's in both Xbox 720 and PS4 are similar utilising an 8-Core AMD CPU at 1.6Ghz but that is where everything changes.

PS4 has a GPU featuring 18 compute units and is based on the HD 7870 running at 1.84 teraFLOPS. The Xbox 720 GPU has 12 compute units and is based on the HD 6670 running at 1.2 teraFLOPS.

The PS4 has 8Gb GDDR5 RAM running at 176Gb/s and Xbox 720 has 8Gb DDR3 running at 68Gb/s.

Now of course the Xbox 720 specs are based on rumour but the guy that leaked the specs got raided by the FBI on Microsoft's behalf. If the leak was harmless Microsoft would have ignored him but instead they raided him adding a substantial amount of credibility to his leak. As of right now if the leak is accurate and nothing has changed since then, it makes Xbox 720 is 50% less powerful than PS4 based on everything we know about PS4 now.

Hmm a 6670 is about 70 USD and a 7870 is about 220-240 ish. Microsoft may be playing it smart and going for a lower price point. Not to mention 8Gb ddr3>8gb gddr5