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Zombie_Barioth Feb 8, 13
BlackLabel I'm well aware they get discounts on bulk prices but theres still no way of knowing how much they actually pay, we could guess at the actual costs till the cows come to no avail. Even a 50% discount would likely be cutting it close although since the console uses custom parts and that GPU will be more expensive than your average 7970 due to the extra GDDR ram the costs will be a bit higher. Last I heard about the ram was its either 8GB DDR3 or 4GB DDR5 so theres that too.

But at any rate its still a dev kit and they're normally more powerful than the actual console, its a rather moot point arguing which is stronger until we hear the official specs although PS4 will certainly have some sort of edge. My point is just that it probably won't be 10-15x as powerful, more like 2-3x more.
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BlackLabel Feb 8, 13
Zombie_Barioth

Bulldozer is plenty powerful enough for a console I mean we're coming off a generation that featured an Xbox 360 with a pretty weak IBM Tri-Core CPU. Bulldozer while not on par with the offerings from Intel is still powerful and more than enough for a single purpose device like a console.

I think the biggest thing when it comes to console manufacture is that Sony don't pay retail prices they pay discounted rates as they are ordering 10 million+ of the things. If it costs $400 for us it's probably $100 for them and that's why consoles can sell for as low as they do. For instance take PlayStation 3;
  • The RSX was based on two 6800 Ultra's running $500 a piece at retail.
  • The CELL pre-discounts had to have been running them at least $300 possibly more.
  • Blu-Ray drives back then were retailing for $1000.
I mean the sum of its parts is a device that if you or me were to build it would cost $2000+ but to Sony it was a $900 build which they sold to the customer for $600. Though getting $2000+ worth of parts for $900 is quite the discount and Sony will be doing the same this gen.

That HD 7970 that costs $400 will cost $150 to Sony, that Blu-Ray drive that costs $120 will cost $50 for Sony and, that 8-Core CPU that costs $100 will cost $40 for Sony as they are ordering 10 million+ of them. The expensive part is the GDDR5 but even then when they are buying it in bulk it won't be the colossal cost it would be for a retail buyer. Now maybe my estimates are a little low as currently that system at those prices would actually sell at a profit, but my point still remains that Sony get the kinds of discounts we'd love..

On top of discounts you can also factor in royalty deals so on top of AMD giving them each HD 7970 for $150 if they buy 10 million of them AMD could also get $2 for every PS4 sold. It may not sound like much but 5 years from now when PS4 has sold 80 million units AMD would be getting $160 million for free and that's a nice bit of money. There are lots of things Sony can do to get parts on the cheap and they will be doing that for PS4 no doubt.
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Zombie_Barioth Feb 8, 13
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Thats really not too bad, since the Wii U deluxe is $350 and the PS4 will most likely have much more storage. Thats assuming that theres actually a decent amount to start with though.

Still waiting to see what kind of games are coming out for it before I plan a purchase.
Storage will be just one of the differences between Wii U and PS4. The PS4 will more than likely launch with a 250Gb HDD minimum so that is one difference. The other more drastic difference is that dev kit leaks already put PS4 at 10-15x more powerful than Wii U and it may cost a mere $50 more if this is accurate.
I really doubt the PS4 will be that much more powerful, last I heard the rumor was an A8/A10 APU with a 7670/6670. The A8/A10 from what I understand is about on par with a Phenom ii X 4 and the 6670 isn't too impressive either (7670 is a re-branded 6670). Like I've said before I expect no bigger a gap than last gen, the trouble with comparing the consoles though is they often use custom parts.
Current dev kit leaks has the PS4 with an 1.6Ghz 8-core custom CPU based on AMD's Bulldozer CPU architecture, with a GPU equivalent to a HD 7970. It has 2.2Gb VRAM and 8Gb GDDR5 system ram with a bandwidth of 176Gb/s. That is the current dev kit leak and many sites are at this point saying it's possibly true..

Now these same sites have ripped apart the Wii U and uncovered it uses an AMD HD 4650 which isn't very powerful, while using a 1.2Ghz Tri-Core CPU. The CPU is worse than the Xbox 360 CPU and the GPU in Wii U is 1.5x more powerful than current gen, but the CPU is such a bottleneck they get very few benefits.

If the PS4 dev kit leaks are accurate then the PS4 isn't just a mild upgrade over current gen it's a big upgrade. Again it is just rumours at this point and we will find out for sure in 12 days hopefully, but I don't see Sony going small time on us. They have built a reputation as being the guys that put insane tech for low prices in our homes, I don't see that changing.
Except if its actually Bulldozer (not Piledriver) it won't actually be that powerful either, Bulldozer has been compared to a Phenom ii X 4 black edition. The 8GB of GDDR5 ram seems odd since that would be rather expensive, a 7970 w/ 3GB GDDR5 is still $400 by itself. Not saying it won't be more powerful but I don't think Sony can afford to yet have another PS3 on their hands, so I'm sure they're going to be more modest thins time around. They've been pretty quiet as well remember how boastful they were about the PS3's power?
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ziemlaj Feb 8, 13
its the best time to start saving my money! But wait , GoW 4 is coming -_-
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Ecto5 Feb 8, 13
A touchpad in the controller will bump the price up a bit, and since this is already cheaper than the PS3, we can assume that PS4's hardware will be relatively weaker than the PS3's, compared to other systems.
I'll probably still get it, though. I really like my PS3, and the NextBox, assuming what we've heard is true, just sounds awful.
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Boo Feb 8, 13
A touchpad, really!?
More pointless stuff that we don't need with Playstation. Just like the eyetoy.

It's good they're making it a little more affordable though.
Still not going to buy it straight away. I learnt that when I got my PS2.
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BlackLabel Feb 8, 13
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Thats really not too bad, since the Wii U deluxe is $350 and the PS4 will most likely have much more storage. Thats assuming that theres actually a decent amount to start with though.

Still waiting to see what kind of games are coming out for it before I plan a purchase.
Storage will be just one of the differences between Wii U and PS4. The PS4 will more than likely launch with a 250Gb HDD minimum so that is one difference. The other more drastic difference is that dev kit leaks already put PS4 at 10-15x more powerful than Wii U and it may cost a mere $50 more if this is accurate.
I really doubt the PS4 will be that much more powerful, last I heard the rumor was an A8/A10 APU with a 7670/6670. The A8/A10 from what I understand is about on par with a Phenom ii X 4 and the 6670 isn't too impressive either (7670 is a re-branded 6670). Like I've said before I expect no bigger a gap than last gen, the trouble with comparing the consoles though is they often use custom parts.
Current dev kit leaks has the PS4 with an 1.6Ghz 8-core custom CPU based on AMD's Bulldozer CPU architecture, with a GPU equivalent to a HD 7970. It has 2.2Gb VRAM and 8Gb GDDR5 system ram with a bandwidth of 176Gb/s. That is the current dev kit leak and many sites are at this point saying it's possibly true..

Now these same sites have ripped apart the Wii U and uncovered it uses an AMD HD 4650 which isn't very powerful, while using a 1.2Ghz Tri-Core CPU. The CPU is worse than the Xbox 360 CPU and the GPU in Wii U is 1.5x more powerful than current gen, but the CPU is such a bottleneck they get very few benefits.

If the PS4 dev kit leaks are accurate then the PS4 isn't just a mild upgrade over current gen it's a big upgrade. Again it is just rumours at this point and we will find out for sure in 12 days hopefully, but I don't see Sony going small time on us. They have built a reputation as being the guys that put insane tech for low prices in our homes, I don't see that changing.
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S-I-E Feb 8, 13
quote Shadow of Death
S-I-E - Eh? Why wait? I don't like the idea of switching the HDD halfway through my ownership period. Some stuff disappears, and I'd have to re-download stuff again and all.

I'd rather just get it out of the way. I'm getting a PS4 at launch unless I have a very good reason not to (IE: Horrible DRM like 'always online').
just my two cents mate >.>

in either case i'm going to wait until i had a good opportunity to get used to all the bells and whistles first. extra is nice but upgrades cost money and i got bills to pay. who knows what the next PlayStation uses to store it's stuff on? could be SSD for all we know and those things are very expensive.
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MetallicaDragon Feb 8, 13
$400? Not bad. I felt like I over payed for my wii U deluxe.
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Coi Cki Feb 8, 13
quote 4 Aces
I'm telling you, they arn't announcing the PS4.
I'll back you on that, 4 Aces.
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sachinzeus Feb 7, 13
I hope they would not stop user playing second hand games on PS4. After we get bored of some titles, it is better to sell those and save some money for other titles.
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Zombie_Barioth Feb 7, 13
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Thats really not too bad, since the Wii U deluxe is $350 and the PS4 will most likely have much more storage. Thats assuming that theres actually a decent amount to start with though.

Still waiting to see what kind of games are coming out for it before I plan a purchase.
Storage will be just one of the differences between Wii U and PS4. The PS4 will more than likely launch with a 250Gb HDD minimum so that is one difference. The other more drastic difference is that dev kit leaks already put PS4 at 10-15x more powerful than Wii U and it may cost a mere $50 more if this is accurate.
I really doubt the PS4 will be that much more powerful, last I heard the rumor was an A8/A10 APU with a 7670/6670. The A8/A10 from what I understand is about on par with a Phenom ii X 4 and the 6670 isn't too impressive either (7670 is a re-branded 6670). Like I've said before I expect no bigger a gap than last gen, the trouble with comparing the consoles though is they often use custom parts.
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Nightmare Samurai Feb 7, 13
The 360 is at about $300-400 depending on whether you get a Kinect bundle.
By comparison this doesn't seem that bad at all.
I dare say it seems... good.
But the rumors of locking out used games still keeps my money safe away from Sony's, and Microsoft's, stupid fingers.
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BlackLabel Feb 7, 13
quote Zombie_Barioth
Thats really not too bad, since the Wii U deluxe is $350 and the PS4 will most likely have much more storage. Thats assuming that theres actually a decent amount to start with though.

Still waiting to see what kind of games are coming out for it before I plan a purchase.
Storage will be just one of the differences between Wii U and PS4. The PS4 will more than likely launch with a 250Gb HDD minimum so that is one difference. The other more drastic difference is that dev kit leaks already put PS4 at 10-15x more powerful than Wii U and it may cost a mere $50 more if this is accurate.
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