Neoseeker : News : Rumor: Leak shows Xbox 720 specs, should rival a high-end gaming PC
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Vapid Soul Jan 21, 13
This is like 1/5 of my "high end gaming pc".
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RabidChinaGirl Jan 21, 13
quote bluexy
Still a hefty upgrade over current gen, but inexpensive enough to get a good install base.
Pretty much how I feel about it. Not the best money can buy or anything, but quite an upgrade. I'd be satisfied, if all this turns out to be true.
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The Slayer Jan 21, 13
Don't forget that the xbox doesnt have to be as powerful as a PC to play games just as well. Computers have a ton of background tasks to run along with the game. They have to keep Windows running as well as 60+ background programs. All of that stuff running in the background uses resources. A console only has to play games, with very few background tasks running. So it can play games just fine on lower end hardware.

I'm actually surprised it has 8gb of ram, I figured 4gb would be plenty (the 360 only has 512mb). It would be awesome if the ram could be used as a type of ram-disk, where the game could have a large chunk of data loaded onto the ram so it doesnt have to read from a disk or hard drive.

CPU is really nice, though oddly not very fast.
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bluexy Jan 21, 13
Anyone with some tech expertise able to lend a bit of perspective? The rumors I heard said Microsoft was on/off about a low end or high end graphics card, and this seems to be the lower end. Like, say Battlefield 3 on high vs. Crysis 3 on high.

I'm actually okay with that. Still a hefty upgrade over current gen, but inexpensive enough to get a good install base. Means more console games in general... though I'd love to really see Unreal's new engine on the next console gen, that may be a pipe dream.
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Gligar Jan 21, 13
Still have a feeling that ps4 will dominate on the specification side
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tekmosis Jan 21, 13
would be nice if the hard drive is an SSD. I can only hope, but I'm guessing it wont be.
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ssjgoten Jan 21, 13
I actually pray that the nextbox will have high specs.

That means most AA games will also aim to reach its highest potential on the PC market. The 2005 hardware has really left the technical aspect of the industry in stagnation.
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THM Jan 21, 13
My agenda to buy Xbox 360 will be dalayed for some time again if it's backward compatible
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Boomerkeighley Jan 21, 13
This is great but my only wish is backwards compatability and the ability to transfer downloaded games and files witch I'm sure will happen.
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Shadow of Death Jan 21, 13
quote The Slayer
Don't forget that the xbox doesnt have to be as powerful as a PC to play games just as well. Computers have a ton of background tasks to run along with the game. They have to keep Windows running as well as 60+ background programs. All of that stuff running in the background uses resources. A console only has to play games, with very few background tasks running. So it can play games just fine on lower end hardware.

I'm actually surprised it has 8gb of ram, I figured 4gb would be plenty (the 360 only has 512mb). It would be awesome if the ram could be used as a type of ram-disk, where the game could have a large chunk of data loaded onto the ram so it doesnt have to read from a disk or hard drive.

CPU is really nice, though oddly not very fast.
The big part of it is that unlike with PC, the developers can write directly to the GPU because it's standard, and they don't have to use a go-between (like DirectX/OpenGL). DirectX and OpenGL are intended to compensate for the lack of standard between GPUs on PCs, so a game that works with one piece of hardware will work with one model of GPU will still work with other models, assuming they're close enough in power (or more powerful).

Consoles, on the other hand, have standardized GPU hardware, so the developers know exactly what they're dealing with and can eke out every last bit of the GPU's power because they know that every user will have the same hardware and there is nothing to compensate for.

When new consoles come out, they tend to have more potential usable power than the average computer that comes out around that time (that's not to say a good gaming rig won't still be more powerful than it, but said rig WILL definitely cost a lot more than the console, obviously), but considering a console sticks around 5+ years usually, it's not surprising it gets very out of date. Consoles hold back the PC gaming market because many AAA games, at least those of which are multiplatform and support both PC and at least one console, tend to conform their capabilities to what consoles can do, rather than what PCs can do.

Consoles are good bang for buck in terms of visual capabilities because the cost to the consumer is subsidized by the maker, because for said companies the money comes from software licensing fees, not hardware sales and having hardware that's too expensive would mean a lower install base and less software sales, and thus they won't make as much money in the end.

If you wanted to build an equivalently powerful PC it would cost a fair bit more than the list price of a console because the hardware has to be sold at a profit by whatever retailer you're using, and never mind the power lost through DirectX/OpenGL (which would require you to bump up the hardware specs to compensate for having to use that go-between).
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Northern49 Jan 21, 13
Of course all of this that has been said about consoles not requiring as much to power as a PC to do similar tasks is true, but this fact will only apply to those who only want to game. A PC is designed to do everything. The cost may seem high, but compare the cost of a full power PC to the combined cost of a laptop + a console, and you're looking at spending about the same price. The only difference is now you'll have 2 different power buttons and a lot more wires.
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Supernova1332 Jan 21, 13
The GPU would be about half way between the HD 7770 and 7850 in terms of raw numbers. It has the same number of shaders as the 8770 is rumored to have. It should perform much better than a desktop graphics card for the reasons above listed by Shadow of Death.


The CPU is very confusing to me. It will likely be a custom 8 core Jaguar based cpu... but why use the jaguar when the bulldozer 8-core opterons could be run at 1.6ghz at only 35w and likely put out more performance for a slight raise in power consumption.
Anyways, it seems as though it will basically be two jaguar dies glued together. The 1.6ghz core clock and 2mb L2 per four cores seems to point that way. As for performance on the jaguar cores...
More on the jaguar cores from AMD slides if anyone's interested.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120904201534_AMD_Discloses_Peculiarities_of_Next_Generation_Jaguar_Micro_Architecture.html

Edit: I just realized they might be going the jaguar route to keep chip prices low as it takes up only 6.2mm^2 for just four jaguar cores without all of the other cpu logic as opposed to 315mm^2 for a full Piledriver/BD die.
The total L2 of a jaguar four core cpu should be around the same size as a single core plus all of the extra logicTaking out The GPU and related logic from a full jaguar die would take out around half of the total die area needed or that could be replaced with proprietary technologies by Microsoft. All in all I'd guess somewhere around 40-50mm^2 if they oust the gpu from the die.
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Redemption Jan 21, 13
This is going to make for some badass looking future titles and will likely be an excellent home entertainment "centrepiece", which is really what Microsoft is after.
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Zombie_Barioth Jan 21, 13
Not really interested in the "720" but I'm really curious about how this will affect things if true. Most games don't make much use of that many cores but if the new Xbox uses that many then we could possibly see more that do. Though I'm guessing the low clock speed is to keep heat levels down, the RROD fiasco must have made them more careful this time around.
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