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Kubrick Jan 16, 13
    The only thing that's really making me love Chespin is it's fanart. Some artists draw him so exceptionally well, and so cute :3 The official artwork is meh, but the fanart is so much better. <3
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Zombie_Barioth Jan 16, 13
quote Ded Valve
I'm not talking about fennekin. I'm talking about the lack of typing for the oh so obvious Ninetales. The pokedex constantly references her as to having mystical powers, in japanese folklore foxes (such as what Fennekin is) are sinister pranksters with mystical properties. Ninetales learns a buttload of psychic and dark moves and even a ghost move here and there. Magnemite and Magneton got an additional typing in Gen 2 but Ninetales stayed fire and fire she remains which doesn't make a lot of sense.

Which is why I hope for an evolution, she really could use a buff in the special attack department.
It probably has more to do with being Arcanine's counterpart than anything else. If they did anything to Ninetales they would probably feel obligated to change Arcanine to balance things and stone evolutions are always the final form anyway.

Gamefreak also talks about not wanting to alienate fans, even though most new fans have no idea what the old games were like in the firs place and most older fans are coming up with these sort of changes themselves.
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Jace2012 Jan 16, 13
I cannot recall where or when i read it, but they are making the starters with this pattern in mind in every generation:

quote Unknown Source
Grass: Less strong - easier to raise.

Water: Balanced.

Fire: Strongest - harder to raise.
Of course campaign-wise.

Anyways as it has always been most people will choose the Fire starter, about equal people will go for the grass type and some dedicated water type users (Phi) will get the frog. I personally like the frog but I think i will go for the Fire if its typing is a Fire/Psychic. I believe it is a cool typing and one the first non-Fire-Fighting type starter in like AGES!

Chespin would be cool if it was (or one of the evos) of Grass/Ground typing. Plain Water type for frog will be fine, although it would seem a little forever-alone if it did not get a cool typing combination!


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quote Zombie_Barioth
quote Ded Valve
I'm not talking about fennekin. I'm talking about the lack of typing for the oh so obvious Ninetales. The pokedex constantly references her as to having mystical powers, in japanese folklore foxes (such as what Fennekin is) are sinister pranksters with mystical properties. Ninetales learns a buttload of psychic and dark moves and even a ghost move here and there. Magnemite and Magneton got an additional typing in Gen 2 but Ninetales stayed fire and fire she remains which doesn't make a lot of sense.

Which is why I hope for an evolution, she really could use a buff in the special attack department.
It probably has more to do with being Arcanine's counterpart than anything else. If they did anything to Ninetales they would probably feel obligated to change Arcanine to balance things and stone evolutions are always the final form anyway.

Gamefreak also talks about not wanting to alienate fans, even though most new fans have no idea what the old games were like in the firs place and most older fans are coming up with these sort of changes themselves.


Some people may be thinking that already but they could make Arcanine a DArk type and Ninetales a Ghost or a Psychic one. That would be cool!
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StrykerHedgehog Jan 16, 13
quote Jace2012
I cannot recall where or when i read it, but they are making the starters with this pattern in mind in every generation:

quote Unknown Source
Grass: Less strong - easier to raise.

Water: Balanced.

Fire: Strongest - harder to raise.
Of course campaign-wise.

Anyways as it has always been most people will choose the Fire starter, about equal people will go for the grass type and some dedicated water type users (Phi) will get the frog. I personally like the frog but I think i will go for the Fire if its typing is a Fire/Psychic. I believe it is a cool typing and one the first non-Fire-Fighting type starter in like AGES!

Chespin would be cool if it was (or one of the evos) of Grass/Ground typing. Plain Water type for frog will be fine, although it would seem a little forever-alone if it did not get a cool typing combination!

Again another reason why I typically choose the Fire starter. I like a challenge. But there are Gens where I just want to facedesk at how A. stupid they look or B. I find useless in the game overall. Im looking at you Gen IV and V. The Water starters tend to be a secondary thing for me. I like a few. Blastoise and Feraligater to name a few. Ill use them but their not my top priority. I've liked all of the grass starters that have been made. Sceptile and Serperior are my favorites. Too me the Grass starters are not as easy to train as the others. I guess its because Im used to training Fire and Water. Im never entirely sure what to have their movesets as and whats stats to have. But I do get it right in the end.

Anyways by looking at the starters this Gen I think that Chespin will have a fighting or ground subtype. Fennekin will be a pure Fire type or have a psychic subtype like suggested. My favorite right now is Froakie and I believe that he will be a pure Water type.
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DedValve Jan 16, 13
Please,

Grass - Very difficult, requires a lot of team leveling
Water - Easy mode. Basically focus on your starter and maybe another good typing (such as pyschic) and win the game with relative ease. Laugh at the elite 4.
Fire - More or less easy mode, build up 2 or 3 pokemons and you'll have a good time but requires more team leveling than water.

Water is made especially true when you have almost stupidly strong water starters like Feraligator and Mudkip. Empoleon was also a great wall in the campaign and blastoise was the weak link. I don't care for Oshawatt.
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Mouldy Cheese Jan 16, 13
quote Ded Valve
Please,

Grass - Very difficult, requires a lot of team leveling
Water - Easy mode. Basically focus on your starter and maybe another good typing (such as pyschic) and win the game with relative ease. Laugh at the elite 4.
Fire - More or less easy mode, build up 2 or 3 pokemons and you'll have a good time but requires more team leveling than water.

Ehhh. I think fire is pretty easy mode, with the exception of R/B/Y when you had a rock gym followed by a water gym as the first two...oh the time spent grinding up to get a butterfree in Viridian Forest so you could beat brock >>
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Gotenks Jan 16, 13
Those were the days! I only go with Fire first because that's how I started playing Pokemon. Charmander was my first starter and I choose to do my first playthrough with the fire starter in each game.
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DedValve Jan 16, 13
I'd say water is easy because of the versatility of having water/ice and depending on starter ground/dark/steel.

That's not to say the introduction of fire/fighters made things dirt easy as well.
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Chaos Team Jan 16, 13
quote Gotenks
Those were the days! I only go with Fire first because that's how I started playing Pokemon. Charmander was my first starter and I choose to do my first playthrough with the fire starter in each game.
Yeah this. xD

Fire usually always is the easy mode. Except in Yellow but I had a Nidorino with Double Kick. :3 Especially with the Fire/Fighting typing. The beginning of the game is a lot of Normal types and the end of the game usually always has Ice types, but at that point the Fire starter is able to hit anything really hard anyway.

G/S/C was a joke to a Fire starter.
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StrykerHedgehog Jan 16, 13
quote Chaos Team
quote Gotenks
Those were the days! I only go with Fire first because that's how I started playing Pokemon. Charmander was my first starter and I choose to do my first playthrough with the fire starter in each game.
Yeah this. xD

Fire usually always is the easy mode. Except in Yellow but I had a Nidorino with Double Kick. :3 Especially with the Fire/Fighting typing. The beginning of the game is a lot of Normal types and the end of the game usually always has Ice types, but at that point the Fire starter is able to hit anything really hard anyway.

G/S/C was a joke to a Fire starter.

That is where we disagree. Cyndaquil and its final evolved form, Typhlosion is one of the best pokemon in the series. Its the only pure Fire type starter. It has always been my favorite pokemon and will stay that way. I always have it on my team.
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Chaos Team Jan 16, 13
quote StrykerHedgehog
That is where we disagree. Cyndaquil and its final evolved form, Typhlosion is one of the best pokemon in the series. Its the only pure Fire type starter. It has always been my favorite pokemon and will stay that way. I always have it on my team.
That is where we agree!

Typhlosion is probably my second favorite Pokemon all time. I was saying G/S/C was a joke, as in extremely easy, for the Cyndaquil line. xD
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StrykerHedgehog Jan 16, 13
quote Chaos Team
quote StrykerHedgehog
That is where we disagree. Cyndaquil and its final evolved form, Typhlosion is one of the best pokemon in the series. Its the only pure Fire type starter. It has always been my favorite pokemon and will stay that way. I always have it on my team.
That is where we agree!

Typhlosion is probably my second favorite Pokemon all time. I was saying G/S/C was a joke, as in extremely easy, for the Cyndaquil line. xD

I guess I misunderstood you. Your wording was kinda strange.
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Gotenks Jan 16, 13
quote StrykerHedgehog
I guess I misunderstood you. Your wording was kinda strange.
I took it the same way as you did but then I read it again and it made sense to me.

Typhosion is easily my second favorite Pokemon of all time as well Chaos Team.
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Zombie_Barioth Jan 16, 13
Jace2012 I was thinking the same exceptthat theres nothing about Arcanine thats "dark" or sinister, its always portrayed as fierce and noble while Ninetales is portrayed as spiteful and cunning.

I'd say Ded Valve is spot on for the most part. Grass usually has bad match-ups for most of the game, even Bulbasaur lost usefulness by the 3rd gym. Fire and water trade off depending on which game, although water is "easy mode" more consistently where as fire normally just has a rough start. Gen 1 is the only one thats actually hard with a fire starter (not counting Fire Red) since 3 and 4 have fire/fighting and easy access to the pokemon the gym leaders are weak to.
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BlackScythe Jan 16, 13
The "difficulty" of gen 1 is highly over stated. Brock didn't have ground moves and charmander was strong enough that 3-5 embers would kill each one. It was easy.

By the time you got to misty you should have had the starts of a team that could hit her for neutral damage and not have to rough of a time. Worse comes to worse you could just catch a bellsprout and roflstomp her with vine whip.

I really never understood people who listed the two gyms as a flaw of charmander.
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