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bbb7002004 Jan 17, 13
And your point is what exactly?
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StrykerHedgehog Jan 17, 13
quote bbb7002004
quote BlackScythe
I really never understood people who listed the two gyms as a flaw of charmander.
Pretty simple really, that's what the instruction books said. They spelled out pretty plainly that Bulbasaur was the easier start, having type advantages to the first three gyms as well as evolving at lower levels, Squirtle was the middle ground, and Charmander being weak to the first two gyms and taking the longest to evolve. Whether or not it is or ever was relevant, that was the thought that was intended in the very beginning by the developers.
Yet there are players who can beat Brock and Misty despite having a Charmander or Charmeleon.
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bbb7002004 Jan 17, 13
quote BlackScythe
I really never understood people who listed the two gyms as a flaw of charmander.
Pretty simple really, that's what the instruction books said. They spelled out pretty plainly that Bulbasaur was the easier start, having type advantages to the first three gyms as well as evolving at lower levels, Squirtle was the middle ground, and Charmander being weak to the first two gyms and taking the longest to evolve. Whether or not it is or ever was relevant, that was the thought that was intended in the very beginning by the developers.
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Jace2012 Jan 17, 13
quote StrykerHedgehog
quote Jace2012
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StrykerHedgehog Charmander is the other starter that is pure Fire type.[/i]

Im talking about Starters that stay pure Fire/Water/Grass throughout their evolutions. The only Gen to do that so far is Gen II. Ever since Gen II Charizard has been a Fire/Flying. Hence Cyndaquil is the only pure Fire Starter.
To think that I had forgotten Charizard's Flying type... Mea culpa my friend.
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StrykerHedgehog Jan 17, 13
quote Jace2012
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StrykerHedgehog Charmander is the other starter that is pure Fire type.[/i]

Im talking about Starters that stay pure Fire/Water/Grass throughout their evolutions. The only Gen to do that so far is Gen II. Ever since Gen II Charizard has been a Fire/Flying. Hence Cyndaquil is the only pure Fire Starter.
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Jace2012 Jan 17, 13
Zombie_Barioth I agree with you.

StrykerHedgehog Charmander is the other starter that is pure Fire type.

Anyways, I think that starters are about style mostly. In the end they do not affect your gameplay that much. I think that type versatility is more important in a team. For example in BW2 if you do not choose Tepig as your starter you can always catch a Darumaka later on which is better by far. Same goes with other starters, although i have not found any decent Water types and i am at the 5th Gym. Any suggestions?
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Zombie_Barioth Jan 16, 13
BlackScythe Thats true, although thats not so obvious to younger players (which most of us were back then). You could also do the same with the other fire starters but I was talking purely in terms of type match-ups and available pokemon at that point in the game. The newer games have also been making the beginning more balanced as far as how starter choice affects difficulty.
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BlackScythe Jan 16, 13
The "difficulty" of gen 1 is highly over stated. Brock didn't have ground moves and charmander was strong enough that 3-5 embers would kill each one. It was easy.

By the time you got to misty you should have had the starts of a team that could hit her for neutral damage and not have to rough of a time. Worse comes to worse you could just catch a bellsprout and roflstomp her with vine whip.

I really never understood people who listed the two gyms as a flaw of charmander.
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Zombie_Barioth Jan 16, 13
Jace2012 I was thinking the same exceptthat theres nothing about Arcanine thats "dark" or sinister, its always portrayed as fierce and noble while Ninetales is portrayed as spiteful and cunning.

I'd say Ded Valve is spot on for the most part. Grass usually has bad match-ups for most of the game, even Bulbasaur lost usefulness by the 3rd gym. Fire and water trade off depending on which game, although water is "easy mode" more consistently where as fire normally just has a rough start. Gen 1 is the only one thats actually hard with a fire starter (not counting Fire Red) since 3 and 4 have fire/fighting and easy access to the pokemon the gym leaders are weak to.
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Gotenks Jan 16, 13
quote StrykerHedgehog
I guess I misunderstood you. Your wording was kinda strange.
I took it the same way as you did but then I read it again and it made sense to me.

Typhosion is easily my second favorite Pokemon of all time as well Chaos Team.
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StrykerHedgehog Jan 16, 13
quote Chaos Team
quote StrykerHedgehog
That is where we disagree. Cyndaquil and its final evolved form, Typhlosion is one of the best pokemon in the series. Its the only pure Fire type starter. It has always been my favorite pokemon and will stay that way. I always have it on my team.
That is where we agree!

Typhlosion is probably my second favorite Pokemon all time. I was saying G/S/C was a joke, as in extremely easy, for the Cyndaquil line. xD

I guess I misunderstood you. Your wording was kinda strange.
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Chaos Team Jan 16, 13
quote StrykerHedgehog
That is where we disagree. Cyndaquil and its final evolved form, Typhlosion is one of the best pokemon in the series. Its the only pure Fire type starter. It has always been my favorite pokemon and will stay that way. I always have it on my team.
That is where we agree!

Typhlosion is probably my second favorite Pokemon all time. I was saying G/S/C was a joke, as in extremely easy, for the Cyndaquil line. xD
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StrykerHedgehog Jan 16, 13
quote Chaos Team
quote Gotenks
Those were the days! I only go with Fire first because that's how I started playing Pokemon. Charmander was my first starter and I choose to do my first playthrough with the fire starter in each game.
Yeah this. xD

Fire usually always is the easy mode. Except in Yellow but I had a Nidorino with Double Kick. :3 Especially with the Fire/Fighting typing. The beginning of the game is a lot of Normal types and the end of the game usually always has Ice types, but at that point the Fire starter is able to hit anything really hard anyway.

G/S/C was a joke to a Fire starter.

That is where we disagree. Cyndaquil and its final evolved form, Typhlosion is one of the best pokemon in the series. Its the only pure Fire type starter. It has always been my favorite pokemon and will stay that way. I always have it on my team.
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Chaos Team Jan 16, 13
quote Gotenks
Those were the days! I only go with Fire first because that's how I started playing Pokemon. Charmander was my first starter and I choose to do my first playthrough with the fire starter in each game.
Yeah this. xD

Fire usually always is the easy mode. Except in Yellow but I had a Nidorino with Double Kick. :3 Especially with the Fire/Fighting typing. The beginning of the game is a lot of Normal types and the end of the game usually always has Ice types, but at that point the Fire starter is able to hit anything really hard anyway.

G/S/C was a joke to a Fire starter.
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DedValve Jan 16, 13
I'd say water is easy because of the versatility of having water/ice and depending on starter ground/dark/steel.

That's not to say the introduction of fire/fighters made things dirt easy as well.
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