Neoseeker : News : Gabe Newell talks Steam Box's possible features, competing against Xbox and PlayStation
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harbin Jan 9, 13
Steam is the biggest selling point Valve can offer, but such a thing would require tons of games being ported to Linux, Valve will be able to do ports with their own games and perhaps those they publish but not every company will do it unless they see profit in it.

Whether or not people will go for it though I suppose will be more dependent on the price.
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DedValve Jan 9, 13
I think the whole point of this steambox is to popularize Linux. Porting of the steam library will be second priority, first priority would be to have publishers and developers not think of PC gaming as an afterthought and make PC development not only more enticing but make the Linux environment more friendly to devs/publishers.

Not sure how much sense I'm making since the nyquil is taking effect but basically from what I personally think the steambox will do or what Valve hopes to accomplish is this thinking process
  • Before Steambox - "I'll make a PS360 game, no room in the budget for a PC port"
  • Shortly after Steambox - "I'll make a PS360 game and definately make a PC port"
  • Steambox (hopefully) becomes a big success - "I will develop PS360/PC games simultaneously. I will support both Linux and Windows and (if I have any) will look at porting over previous games to Linux"
  • Steambox's ultimate goal (modular PC's phase out consoles) - I will develop and optimize for linux and co-develop/port to PC.
At least this is what I hope Valve accomplishes, Linux isn't owned by anyone so we will never have another repeat of Windows 8 and it's hostility towards indie devs.

EDIT: Goddamn this is some good nyquil.
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ComputerEd Jan 9, 13
Harbin, this is a point I think people are not considering. If they came out with a Steam Box with Linux I would not buy it. I mean unless it gives some kind of uber discount on the hardware, my built system with Windows will give me more Steam options.

In fact I will go further and ask how you can say a device is optimized for Steam when you cut out 90% of the library of software Steam offers?
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DedValve Jan 9, 13
quote ComputerEd
Harbin, this is a point I think people are not considering. If they came out with a Steam Box with Linux I would not buy it. I mean unless it gives some kind of uber discount on the hardware, my built system with Windows will give me more Steam options.

In fact I will go further and ask how you can say a device is optimized for Steam when you cut out 90% of the library of software Steam offers?
Steambox isn't for you. Outside of exclusives would a man like you ever buy a PS3/360 or PS4/720? Steambox is for THOSE people. People who prefer the simplicity of consoles and love couch gaming, for the hardcore gamer that builds their own PC they won't need steambox just as much they don't need a traditional console (again, outside of exclusives).

This is what a lot of people aren't getting and if Valve is smart they will market it as a console and not a PC.
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MissingScore Jan 9, 13
quote Ded Valve
quote ComputerEd
Harbin, this is a point I think people are not considering. If they came out with a Steam Box with Linux I would not buy it. I mean unless it gives some kind of uber discount on the hardware, my built system with Windows will give me more Steam options.

In fact I will go further and ask how you can say a device is optimized for Steam when you cut out 90% of the library of software Steam offers?
Steambox isn't for you. Outside of exclusives would a man like you ever buy a PS3/360 or PS4/720? Steambox is for THOSE people. People who prefer the simplicity of consoles and love couch gaming, for the hardcore gamer that builds their own PC they won't need steambox just as much they don't need a traditional console (again, outside of exclusives).

This is what a lot of people aren't getting and if Valve is smart they will market it as a console and not a PC.
Basically you're saying it's for people like me, who stick to consoles because they don't have the first clue about the technical working of a PC and so are incapable of ever running a gaming PC.

Speaking as a person like me, they're going to need to do a lot more to convince me to choose this over the next PS/XBOX. Throwing words like Linux and terms like operating system around just make me think the 'Steambox' could require decent computing knowledge to get the most out of it, this scares people like me off.

I do like the fact they aren't convinced about motion control. Most gimmicky thing ever, most people I know game to relax and unwind not to jump about their homes like loons!
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Zombie_Barioth Jan 9, 13
If Valve gets things going with their games then hopefully it will prove theres a viable market for Linux games, if only for the "steam box".

It will be interesting to see how they market it too. From what I hear it sounds like a more user-friendly HTPC geared towards gaming. Whatever it is convincing people what sets it apart from the competition and why they should buy one over a tablet, xbox, or anything else will be tricky.
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DedValve Jan 9, 13
quote MissingScore
quote Ded Valve
quote ComputerEd
Harbin, this is a point I think people are not considering. If they came out with a Steam Box with Linux I would not buy it. I mean unless it gives some kind of uber discount on the hardware, my built system with Windows will give me more Steam options.

In fact I will go further and ask how you can say a device is optimized for Steam when you cut out 90% of the library of software Steam offers?
Steambox isn't for you. Outside of exclusives would a man like you ever buy a PS3/360 or PS4/720? Steambox is for THOSE people. People who prefer the simplicity of consoles and love couch gaming, for the hardcore gamer that builds their own PC they won't need steambox just as much they don't need a traditional console (again, outside of exclusives).

This is what a lot of people aren't getting and if Valve is smart they will market it as a console and not a PC.
Basically you're saying it's for people like me, who stick to consoles because they don't have the first clue about the technical working of a PC and so are incapable of ever running a gaming PC.

Speaking as a person like me, they're going to need to do a lot more to convince me to choose this over the next PS/XBOX. Throwing words like Linux and terms like operating system around just make me think the 'Steambox' could require decent computing knowledge to get the most out of it, this scares people like me off.

I do like the fact they aren't convinced about motion control. Most gimmicky thing ever, most people I know game to relax and unwind not to jump about their homes like loons!
It won't, right now information is being poured out of every hole but since Steambox has yet to been finalized Valve isn't focused on marketing it right now (which is why they are so openly talking about it).

I had a picture that PERFECTLY explains all of this but sadly that picture shows up extremely blurry when I upload it, until I can find a higher quality version I'll break it down as best as I can.

Steambox will out of the box (hurr) run like a normal console. When you go out shopping there will as many steamboxes are there are PC's (well not as many but you get the point). Each major PC manufacturer should they choose will also be a console manufacturer or sorts, Valve will also offer their own steambox. Now without going into detail and for the sake of explanation let's say Steambox is out.

You can choose from a list of Steamboxes that come in all shapes, sizes and prices, I'm assuming that there will however be a standardized controller that is the same for every steam box. Now since the steambox is out the marketing team will have most likely created an easy way to differentiate steamboxes, basically it would be no different than shopping for an iPad.

You'll have the extremely low cost Steambox that work by streaming games (whether through OnLive or something else is unknown), this is for people that have a great internet connection and will likely pay some sort of monthly fee (I don't use onlive so I don't know how they price their model).

Let's say you don't like streaming and prefer downloading/hard copies available whenever you want, you then have to choices. The "Standard" model and the "Deluxe", just like choosing the 4GB Xbox for $199 or the 160GB xbox for $299. The only difference is the hardware inside of it, the standard model will guarantee that you can play any game on normal setting, while the deluxe will promise the highest graphical fidelity at the time. After that you simply have to choose from the hardware manufacturer of your choosing. Now you say your a simple console gamer, for the sake of this explanation I will refer to people like you as "Core" and slightly more tech savvy gamers as "hardcore".

Your budget is $360, enough for a standard console and 1 new game (disregarding amazing steam sales and the possibility that all Steambox games will be $50). So you shop around for steambox, you can just get the safest the Valve Steambox, or for the same price you could get a Dell Steambox. For someone like you the difference will purely be in aesthetics, and maybe an extra controller, bundle game.

For the "hardcore" gamer that do not want the hassle of building a PC they'll look more at specs, such as which hardware has the better CPU/GPU, etc. etc.

Then there will also be the deluxe model which will be far more expensive consoles that guarantee running on high/very high settings for the next few years. The buying process will be the same. Now when the Steambox comes out I'm going to assume for simplicity sake they will use some sort of code system to easily determine the graphics of each individual game your console can run.

I'll use a basic color code system, Yellow is Medium, Green is High, Blue is Very high/max. This color will be on your console and will also be on the front of every game, so all you have to do is look at the color and you'll automatically know the level of graphics your game will run on. Since the openness of the steambox leads to the possibility of it being a modular console, you can individually replace certain specs of the steambox such as graphics card. The graphics card will also use a color coded system to easily determine what level of graphics it can run games on.

Sorry for this extremely long read and I hope you understand but for a TL;DR version I say wait until the Steambox is finalized and everything is in place that way Valve can do what they want to accomplish and make a way where everything is as simple as buying an Xbox 720/PS4. You should have zero problems at all when the Steambox comes out.
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BlackLabel Jan 9, 13
What happens when 12-18 months down the line their mid-low end Steam Box no longer plays the latest releases? I get you can upgrade this thing but this is aimed at console gamers will they be down with swapping out a GPU or CPU? PC gamers would be but console gamers I don't think they will.

I think the biggest issue the Steam Box will face is that PC gaming does not stand still if the medium configuration is say an AMD Phenom II X4 955 with a HD 6850, that won't run Far Cry 3 maxed at 1080p it runs it at medium, now that's great for now but that same system won't run Crysis 3 at medium it'll run it at low, maybe.

Though PC gaming doesn't stand still especially when a new generation of consoles launches as we always see a surge in hardware requirements necessary to run games. Will console gamers be down with upgrading their Steam Box in 12 months when the Playstation 4 and Xbox Next usher in a higher level of graphics finally allowing PC games to move on visually as well? I'm not convinced yet, but then again I'm not the market for Steam Box.
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DedValve Jan 9, 13
BlackLabel

They will try to make swapping as easy and painless as possible, simplifying the process greatly. PC games will likely have to run a standard for the first "generation" of Steambox, by that I mean all games so long as the first generation exists will have to be able to run games on normal on even the lowest spec Steamboxes then they can feel free to go crazy on anything higher.

Graphics card will likely shed their intimidating names in favor of something incredibly simple, lets say Nvidia releases a special line of graphics card designed to run on Steambox, any Nvidia graphics card can be put on steambox but this one is different. This one is named GP1. GP1 can play games on high settings in 2014. It's now 2015 and GP1 is outdated so GP2 is released and promises the same. The game on the box in 2014 will say on the front "Max settings requires GP1". The sequel that came out in 2015 will now say "Max settings require GP2". It's 2016 and the sequel requires GP3. However all these games will run on normal settings even if you never change graphics card or anything else. Eventually, just like consoles the hardware will be outdated and the second generation will have to be released "Steambox 2" and it will follow the same formula. Maybe special/collectors edition of games will even bring GPX card with them.

They will simplify the process but at the end of the day it's still something very bold and very intimidating, in the end it'll all boil down to the learning curve and if the public will be willing to put up with it. It really is all up in the air and since the thing isn't even finalized it's way to early to determine, everything I said was pure speculation and just what I think they'll do.
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snowgim Jan 9, 13
Doesn't matter what's in it, they will instantly sell 10 million units if the steam box case is a companion cube.
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lKasHl Jan 10, 13
"The internet is super smart. If you do something that is cool, that's actually worth people's time, then they'll adopt it."
Massive leap of faith
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THM Jan 10, 13
Gabe Newell reminds me of big fatso from Resident Evil 6...Anyone know the names of them???
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Battler Ushiromiya Jan 13, 13
Actually even if your games don't support Linux, you can install Windows on your Steam Box, so it's fine.
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Abyss Raider Jan 14, 13
When Gabe talks, I listen.
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