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SPAZwazza Aug 7, 12
Hear, hear. Why always with the fighting? Enough persecution already, I'm saying.

Nerddom doesn't need a double-standard. One standard is more than enough.
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rpg Aug 7, 12
This is kind of a bad topic to put in my two cents X]
No matter how I side on this, what will happen is the trolls from the skies will begin to rain upon my head and make mincemeat of whatever opinion I put it out on this subject -.-
So tempting but so volatile at the same time...
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ThirteenOfTwo Aug 7, 12
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This is kind of a bad topic to put in my two cents X]
Why did you even bother typing if you weren't going to say anything?

Anyways... I agree with the CNN author in that pretending to share interests with someone so as to gain their attention and inflate your own ego is an awful thing to do, no matter who does it. However, I also believe that in the real world, any women who do so must be so few and far between that it's probably not worth writing an article just to attack them. I also think it's irresponsible to ignore the men who exhibit similar behavior, to demand that women prove their worth before being admitted into gaming circles, or to criticize "booth babes" (who are paid for what they do).

On the other hand, I think this author's tone is unfortunately patronizing and condescending in places, and the article is a little late, given how long ago the original Geek Blog entry was written.

So Peacock isn't wrong to criticize the kind of people he's criticizing, because if indeed they do exist, they're awful. But it's kind of sad that he sees them everywhere when they aren't, and it's truly pathetic that the assumption that women can't be "real geeks" is so pervasive.
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THM Aug 7, 12
They need validation because maybe girl gamers have something profound that the male gamers don't have....
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Grimdark Aug 7, 12
Wow. Neoseeker has really expanded. Not only does it do more frequent news articles, but it also manages to reply to blogs with its own blogs! Such innovation. Does this mean a perk of being a news writer is that your blogs go on the front page? I'm so jelly ((((
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I don't want to link the article here, because I found it borderline troll material. But I will, because how would you know what I'm talking about otherwise. In case you'd like to check out the full thing, go ahead and give CNN's geek blog thing a visit at some point.
So you're responding to troll material in the entire blog?

Told status:
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[x] told
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walnuts Aug 7, 12
Like you RabidChinaGirl, I'm a born again geek in my early 20's. I went through a lot of my youth moving around the world as a result of my father's job and simply not having the money to indulge in any of my geeky fantasies. Want to know how many game consoles I have owned throughout my 23 years? 2 - a Gameboy Colour with a pirated game card and a Nintendo Wii. Heck, a friend of mine was horrified when I told her I hadn't seen all the Star Wars or Lord of the Rings movies, and I was 21! For the record, I've seen them now but still, it took me 21 years to get around to being able to fully embrace my geekiness, mainly because I was able to fund it myself. Now I'm involved in it up to my neck, have even found a niche that I adore (Transformers FTFW) and am loving every minute of it. However, just because I only got in to the 'scene' 4-5 years ago, does that make me less of a geek? I certainly don't feel as it does, but there would be many who would.

ANYWAY, I digress. I think that people should be able to express themselves how they want to. If all a woman wants to do at Comic-Con is to dress up in an awesome cosplay and stand around looking pretty all day, then more power to her. What the important thing is, that she is there and she is participating. Sure, she's not going to be able to give your Superman's family tree, but she knows enough about the character to make a kick-ass cosplay, and that's more than enough geek to get started.

I think this comic sums up the attitude we should be adopting as a community:



Inclusion, not exclusion.
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Forlorn Drifter Aug 7, 12
ThirteenOfTwo, they are all over the place. The amount of high school girls claiming to be hardcore gamers after playing a single game of Call of Duty with their brother. They want attention, and are often just looking for someone to worship them. Its sick.

On the other hand, girls that legitimately game are great. I know.... none. I'd love to meet more, if for nothing more than having a more diverse group of gaming friends. I've also found many gamer girls do the same thing gaming guys do... they go for the "hot" people of the opposite sex (or same sex, I won't judge), who generally aren't into games. Thus, sad gaming peoples of the Earth who only want someone to curl up with and play Mario.
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Crafter Aug 7, 12
I agree with the "6 of 9" thing (maybe not exactly, more like 7/8 but whatever). If you see a woman dressed up or being a part of something you enjoy, you're likely to find them more attractive than if they were wearing normal street clothes. It's just like men who prefer blondes or brunettes, or big or small... assets. You can't say it's racist to find, say, an asian more attractive than a black or hispanic person. Adding in hobbies is just another attractiveness "multiplier" on the already long list, and it's going to be different for every person.
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Don’t use numbers to rate women, that shit is a revolting *bleep*ed up thing to do
This is retarded, IMO. Nobody is rating the worth of a woman when they call her a "solid 7". The numbers are only referring to "dat ass", which again is going to be different for every person.

On the topic of "No girls allowed", I'd also like to talk about my experience raiding in WoW with women. This is just my experience, not necessarily my opinion or how it is all the time. At the start of ICC my guild picked a couple female players at different points. They were all alright players, but when they started dying to the same thing over and over, they simply couldn't take criticism. They'd make a big scene on vent and get angry about being picked on, how it's not their fault for whatever reason, etc. Three seperate people doing the exact same thing all at different times. The biggest problems I'd say they had was a ridiculous sense of entitlement, perhaps because girls are so "rare" in the raiding scene, and a need for constant attention. Male or female, when you cause that kind of troubles for the rest of the guild, you're out.
Now, as for the distraction, that certainly is a big issue, especially when you're running 25mans. If you have 23 guys, mostly teens, and 2 girls, some idiots are going to try to flirt. And when they're talking over explanations, strategies and schedules you have a problem. It does depend on the personalities of everyone involved though. Some women are going to be attention whores, some aren't. Some guys are going to stop at nothing to chat with them, some don't care. Building a raid group is about finding players that play well and can work together, males or females. To end on a more positive note, I spent most of TBC raiding in a guild with a couple women, two of which barely spoke and the third, while chatty, was kind, helpful and never caused any drama or did any typically attention-whorey things.

This turned out a lot longer than I intended, but I'd like to reinforce that I don't feel I'm a sexist person. Maybe just a little harsh.
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RabidChinaGirl Aug 7, 12
walnuts I love xkcd. That guy makes a good case for a lot of things.

DC Sniper Actually we've had stuff like this going on for a while (years ago), but maintaining a consistent output for these pieces was pretty tough given all the other stuff the small editorial team has to cover. Within the past few months, we've been slooowly trying to sneak opinion pieces back into the rotation as we expand the team.

ThirteenOfTwo Considering it is an issue we often have to deal with in any "nerd setting," I don't think it is too late. The day when gender is no longer an issue would certainly be nice.

Crafter No worries. I read the whole thing! Least I could do since you read everything I've written above.
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Captain Nerditude Aug 7, 12
I really don't think that gender is the issue, the author of the original article only stuck with the usual stereotype. I think the problem is just fake gamers. I'll admit I used to fake loving Halo and being a master, while in reality I sucked severely and hated it. What the first article should have been more directed towards is the vast amount of people who walk around with say a shirt with Mario characters on it and don't know a flying fladoodle about the games. They should have gotten a less sexist author for it.
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Zombie_Barioth Aug 7, 12
I feel like these sorts of people are the minority and that leading anyone on for whatever reason is cruel, suddenly finding someone attractive that you normally wouldn't give the time of day is shallow.

Its the anti-woman its a guy thing that makes women feel like they need validation and things like the g.i.r.l joke doesn't help. Honestly unless your an 8 year old that thinks girls are yucky its immature. My only problem is when you say something that even remotely questions their "geekiness" they're too quick to pull the its cause I'm a girl/women card. All I said to one of my friends was "I didn't know you're into Halo" and her and her friend chewed me out.
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bluexy Aug 7, 12
Some people build these preconceived notions in their minds, built off of biases and stereotypes. They roll these things around in their heads, fitting them to bits of news stories and online conversations, and then project them onto real people with no due consideration. These ideas aren't real, you can't know a person based off of what they wear, what games they play -- that doesn't tell you who they are or where they come from.

Mystic Aurora People like the CNN author make it an issue about women, it's only fair that women have the right to respond to these accusations. The CNN guy didn't call out inauthentic gamers in general, he called out inauthentic women gamers.

"If they want equality among gamers..." You don't get to set the terms for who gets equality, buddy. There are no "ropes" except the ones you've put up in your own mind. I'm a male gamer, I seriously have no idea what you're talking about here: "trash talk, criticism, and getting your ass beaten virtually. A lot." No one deserves that kind of treatment, men or women. Saying men deal with it and women don't is dangerous hyperbole and probably contributory to this entire problem in the first place.
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skyrim_fanatic Aug 7, 12
*Swoon* this blog makes me appreciate my gamer girlfriend even more, if thats possible! 2yrs. and going strong.
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Vapid Soul Aug 7, 12
There is a clear line between a 'gamer girl' and the 'girl gamer'. Research the two and judge this again.
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