Neoseeker : News : 'Tropes vs. Women in Video Games' Kickstarter shows not all gamers are sexist, thankfully
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Sonic Chao Jun 15, 12
First place I heard about this was this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igXz_hXKUcE

Looks completely stupid tbh.
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DedValve Jun 15, 12
I may have misunderstood but from my understanding we are paying her money to essentially make a video of her playing a game so she can go over stuff that has been on TV tropes for years?
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RabidChinaGirl Jun 15, 12
^ You are basically funding (should you choose to contribute) a documentary series.
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ssjgoten Jun 15, 12
But she's been doing these documentaries before without this type of funding.

I agree with Ded Valve

How the hell will this cost her any money? With the 150k she should at least give the rest to charity or something.
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ssjgoten Jun 15, 12
quote Sonic Chao
First place I heard about this was this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igXz_hXKUcE

Looks completely stupid tbh.
Nice video, btw. I completely agree with this gentleman.
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RabidChinaGirl Jun 15, 12
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ThisIsNotMutantPanda Jun 15, 12
I don't mind the fact that she's making videos about sterotypes in female characters, but why do you need $6,000 to go on the internet and research a few hundred games?

And like ssjgoten said: She's already been doing this, why does all of a sudden need money for it?

I also don't agree with the sexist harrasment that she has been getting, but I read some of the intellectual comments and they have good points. I just personally don't think this is something worth donating to.
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bluexy Jun 15, 12
Damn, that video is terrible guys. Extremely dismissive, insulting and derogatory.

She asked for money to do a project she was passionate about. $6000 is probably just enough to cover costs for the entire thing. She didn't ask for all the money people threw at her. How she spends the money is neither here nor there until she makes her show.

There's an issue at hand that's obviously very serious and very broad. Whatever your thoughts on the matter, you should at least be respectful and open-minded. Everything that video is not.
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bluexy Jun 15, 12
Wow guys. Just wow. Watching that video over again... I am blown away you guys would link that and support it.

He directs this at women who hope to change the way they are shown in video games: "You are literally bathing in your own preconceived notion and nothing from this series will change the way that people look at women." He says this over the top of video showing a woman pooping in a hot tub.

Just... astonished that you guys would post that here.
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Lorx Jun 15, 12
You're right bluexy, while I do agree with a lot of the points within the video, it is also very insulting, and that's not a good thing. Instead of nitpicking through the points he made within the video that I agree with, I shall just write my own;

I think the short version of why it's receiving negative feedback, is because she's so passionate. Passion is not a bad thing, but the project is so pro-woman that it's just openly biased. Expecting new light shed on the subject here would be like expecting to hear new things from Jack Thompson running a speech about GTA IV. You know what he'll say, you know how biased it will be towards his beliefs, and you know how little he'll really dig into the subject instead of openly ranting on it. That's not to say the project isn't on topic of a real issue that is a real problem, only that it will not actually help it's cause or do any real...good.

For instance I don't really expect the episode on Damsel in Distress to do anything beyond park at examples, not really looking to why it's a trope or where it came from in the first place. It might go as far as look at examples like the extra levels of Super Meat Boy, which switches the roles, but I don't expect more depth than that. There are a plethora of videos and articles on the internet already that did not ask for any funding that go deeper than that and provide insightful ideas. Many of them may not have any fancy lensflare or panoramic shots of anything like documentaries with budgets, but you don't need any of that to talk about something you are passionate about.

That there's a single episode on good women characters, and it wasn't even part of the first basket, is by far the biggest red flag to me as to just how biased and uninformative this will probably be.
Last edited by Lorx :: Jun 15, 12
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nnnddd101010 Jun 15, 12
I think sexism and the portrayal of women in videogames is a serious issue, but I don't see how this would change anything, and why people are giving this woman $152,280 (or even just $6000) to make a documentary, which as ssjgoten, Ded Valve, and Lorx pointed out,
1. doesn't really need any funding to be made
2. isn't going to change anything
3. will be heavily biased
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bluexy Jun 15, 12
Lorx There's really no argument against her feminist bias; she runs a blog named Femenist Frequency. She isn't creating a documentary, she's creating a web series. She's not making an argument, she's creating visibility. If you believe there's an argument to be had, check out the second link in Lydia's article. There's really no defending the actions of these misogynist gamers.

The short version of the negative feedback is that there's a very real and very disturbing misogynist community in gaming. If you want to make an argument on the quality of her work, or the value of the project, then admitting there's a problem and distancing yourself from disgusting videos like what was linked above is a good step. Otherwise there's no line between your argument and the people wishing upon this lady graphic violence.

If you don't think she's capable, I'd recommend checking out her previous videos in the Tropes vs. Women series, as she does a very good job. $6000 for a series of her videos seems very reasonable, just to increase visibility of the issue. They're high quality, interesting and educational. If she has prioritized certain topics in here series above others I'll give her the benefit of the doubt until they're released. After all, I didn't donate, it's not for me to say.

$150,000 means this isn't about her series anymore. It's about a population of gamers who feel misrepresented and mistreated, to put it lightly. I don't need to have donated to realize that if a small project like this can receive such passionate support -- including people talking with their money -- maybe it's worth taking a step back an reevaluating the wider issue without getting caught up in Kickstarter project.
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Hellfire29 Jun 15, 12
Honestly, she seems to be far more sexist than any game dev who casts these characters. There's also a disproportionaly small number of Latino, Asian and just about every other non white Caucasian in video games, but no-one's really making a fuss about that. They certainly aren't funding a webseries on it.
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ThisIsNotMutantPanda Jun 15, 12
I also hope that neoseeker will notify us when she releases her first video, because I'm curious if she will stick to an intellectual side and not be too biased, or if she'll go down the road that all of us are thinking she will.
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