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Cyanide May 18, 12
That's a good argument, one that I'd agree with. I haven't been fully captivated by a game since...I guess KHII. Shooters don't do it for me anymore. I have yet to play Journey, but I hope there's a better future for gaming than just "Pew Pew. Ya *bleep*in' dead."
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samwise995 May 18, 12
There is. It's called Uncharted.
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THM May 18, 12
Yes, some games like Yakuza Zombies and Lollipop Chanisaw are teenage-oriented, Even Journey is like a game for teens!...I want more adult games like Uncharted, Batman, Castlevaina:LoS!!!!
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ShadowJ May 18, 12
Sorry don't agree especially with the first quote from Chen, by all means if they want to make games more orientated towards mature adults then fine but don't hide behind the excuse of realism.

"A headshot with a sniper rifle is not related to realism" - Depends on how that headshot is displayed by the video game. From what I have seen of Sniper Elite V2, it shows quite graphically on how a bullet travelling 200km/s is deadly to a human being 600m away. TF2 however shows it in an unrealistic way

I am 24, considered an adult by law, by nature, by humankind and I play video games to get away from real life, to zone out and have fun.

If I wanted realism I would walk outside.

It's the same concept as "Adults shouldn't watch cartoons"...my reply "*bleep* you!"

My point...yes make your realistic and mature themed games but do not generalise every gamer or video game and put them into one basket, instead allow the games industry to co-exist with both types of games and let your adult fans be an actual adult by choosing what types of games they want to play.
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Cyanide May 18, 12
quote ShadowJ
"A headshot with a sniper rifle is not related to realism" - Depends on how that headshot is displayed by the video game. From what I have seen of Sniper Elite V2, it shows quite graphically on how a bullet travelling 200km/s is deadly to a human being 600m away. TF2 however shows it in an unrealistic way
You missed the point entirely. He wasn't talking about how adult games simulate life. He was implying that adult games teach you lessons that could be applied in life or things that you will see as you experience life. Headshots don't teach you anything. They're just mindless gore that have no depth.

The majority of video games had depth before the shooter phase.
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ShadowJ May 18, 12
On the contrary, headshots even in video games do teach you things in life especially Sniper games. If designed and made correctly then you will learn patience, planning, organisation, awareness, discipline and a lot more.

My point, most things within a video game can be used in real life, some without even thinking about it. Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon games can be put into the above category as well, after all if you want to play as the games were designed, you would use the planning and tactics feature they implement, if the tactics don't work...retry and try other tactics (Another skill, determination being used)

However, as with everything in life...everyone has their own opinion about things, a subject like this cannot just be determined as "yes, only these subjects will give these people skills in life to use and educate them"...my opinion already shows that I can relate certain skills and education to sniper games, sure I wouldn't be using actual sniping skills in real life any time soon but I can take away certain things from the game without realising.

Like I say, these are games that should co-exist with games that are considered teen or "not adult enough"...kudos to them on thinking outside the box but I don't buy a game on its close nature to realism or the skills it can teach me...that's what real life is for.
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ashantiqua May 18, 12
just here to say uncharted sucks. sometimes spiffy cinematics, super-meh gameplay.
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Rommel63 May 19, 12
FPS - is the ultimate view point to teach social abilities and an attempt at maximizing the dexterity of each player. I do not kill in a game unless it is the purpose I wish at that moment. I measure everything. Time, distance, health, character strengths and weaknesses, number of players and importantly lag and latency issues. By following a routine and properly assessing the situation I will eventually win (SunTzu). I have played many FPS games and because I learn I often get ranked in the top 10 in the world. Please note I am not even trying to get highly ranked, it is the eventually byproduct of perfect practice and perseverance that give good results.
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zakislam May 19, 12
quote ashantiqua
just here to say uncharted sucks. sometimes spiffy cinematics, super-meh gameplay.
To each their own, but can't agree with "super-meh gameplay". Uncharted blended your two quarrels better than most games.
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zakislam May 19, 12
quote THM
Yes, some games like Yakuza Zombies and Lollipop Chanisaw are teenage-oriented, Even Journey is like a game for teens!...I want more adult games like Uncharted, Batman, Castlevaina:LoS!!!!
Lollipop Chanisaw teenage-oriented? You probably say that due to the protagonist but I don't think the game is strictly teenage-oriented... looking forward to some zombie action, either way. Mmmmm, zombies.
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Antipathy May 19, 12
It's the only game that I am actually considering getting involving zombies. Black Ops 2's zombies are horrendous. The only part of BO Zombies I liked were the top down easter egg mode. as for games in general, poker games are about as realistic and adult oriented as call of duty is to war. What's the point in playing poker when you can just reload a save, or *earn* back *money* without risk?

Smells to me like *I have small popularity, let's get on my soapbox and grandstand but chat meaningless bollocks to appease unintelligent masses to look like I have a cult following and garner support for my productions.*

Reeks of *my dad's better than yours*
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Crafter May 19, 12
I agree with Antipathy. This guy sounds like a pretentious fool that's on a power-high after his game did well.

People play games to get away from real life. I don't want to play an "intellectually relevant" game if it's going to involve getting *bleep*ed over by the company I work for, workplace politics or struggling to pay the bills each month.

Two of my all-time favourite games, which in my opinion are both very deep and emotional, are rated E for kids but present well-crafted themes deeper than anything I've seen in a game meant for "adults". These games, Final Fantasy VI and Majora's Mask, blend great gameplay with fantastic stories, but the end of the world isn't something we, as adults, need to worry about or could connect with. I think it has much more to do with adding humanity to the characters, to the environments the game takes place in. Even if it isn't a main character, show their struggles, hardships, their despair, but also their hope and happiness. It's when you can empathize with or understand the emotion present that a game becomes a deeper experience that an adult might find more value in than a child would.

A sniper blowing somebody's head off would be very relevant if there was any weight to the character that was dying, if he was humanized so the death was more than just +10 points.

Legally, I'm an adult. I'm an adult and more than enjoying them, I find value in more than just a select few games I've played. This guy has no clue.
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RabidChinaGirl May 19, 12
... I'm legally an adult, and I enjoy zombie games. ._.

Honestly though, I think folks are blowing his words out of proportion. The his primary point is that he doesn't think games are emotionally compelling enough and overall lack this ability that movies and books (or other media) have to really touch their audience on a more poignant level.

I think certain games do achieve this, but it'd be nice to have more stuff like that.
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samwise995 May 19, 12
To end all of this pointless headshot realism debate, let me bring forth a fact:
In REAL life, snipers don't go for headshots. The head is incredibly hard to hit. So they aim for easier and just as deadly targets, like the neck or chest (which is sometimes covered with Kevlar, but necks rarely are). Headshots are much harder in real life than in video games.
Also, M rated games oftentimes show more gore than is realistic.
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