Neoseeker : News : Treyarch studio head defends lack of new engine for Black Ops 2
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Ncjpr1993 May 15, 12
As long as the graphics are on par with the previous games of the series, and the game stays at a solid 60 FPS, I have no complaints. I like the direction they're going with the new gameplay changes, so graphics aren't my top concern.
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chaotic May 15, 12
Except this house has been remodeled, what, 6 times already?
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annihilate May 15, 12
For once he has a point

Software engines with names are just buzzwords, they're many many builds and many many versions in between, code is changed, modified, sections are rewritten, replaced, but some code is unchanged very long.
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Supernova1332 May 15, 12
Used in Cod 2 originally as a modified quake 3 engine (IW 2.0)
Upgraded for CoD 4 and MW2
Modified for WaW, BlOps, MW3, BlOps 2, and Quantum of Solace.
More detailed info on the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IW_engine
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ShadowJ May 15, 12
Except remodelling a house actually requires work.

In a sense he has a point, Rockstar and Beth Soft use the same engines in quite a number of games but with each game they introduce some major features and overhaul everything to make the next game they use on the engine to look and feel different to their predecessor.

Beth Soft for example used Gamebyro since Morrowind, Oblivion they did strip it down and remake the engine to do as they wanted it, which brought in radiant AI, new combat systems and more.

Fallout 3 uses the same engine along with Fallout: New Vegas but they provide a new world to explore and play in, plus the engine was improved again to turn swords and magic into guns. Skyrim uses the creation engine which is once again built by the team.

At the end of the day re-using the engine is cost effective, you are getting the most out of an engine that was built to last 5-6 games, for me that isn't the problem. The problem is that CoD especially the last 3-4 all look the same
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EvilTediz597 May 15, 12
How about making a different game?

Just throwing it out there.
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ShadowJ May 15, 12
quote EvilTediz597
How about making a different game?

Just throwing it out there.
That's like training a monkey how to smoke, letting him smoke for 10 years and then abruptly making him go cold turkey...Activ would die off faster than a fly being hit with a swatter.

Don't forget Activ have dropped all games to work on their core stuff which is...CoD and well..errrr...oh brainwashing people

While Activ probably have enough money to keep them afloat for decades, they don't have many games to keep them afloat in order to keep raking in the cash.

It's the main reason they are using the "If it's not broke, don't fix it" motto. Obviously as much as I hate to admit it, the fan base is shrinking slowly but quite eager to eat the same meal year after year. They will probably bleed the fanbase dry until they are into the smaller sized thousands and all they have to do is year after year just add in new features and tweak the storyline

Hell if they add in a 4 player co-op campaign, I would actually consider it myself since over the years I have grown to playing co-op with friends but as a band of 3, 4 or 5 (Sometimes 2 but only Army of Two franchise and Splinter Cell: Conviction have got me to do that)

Which does make me wonder, who will bring in the 4 player co-op first, Battlefield or CoD?
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CrematedMan May 16, 12
As long as there isn't as much lag as MW3 and BO, whether or not that's lag comp, this game is worth buying. If not, it's just as worthless as the previous two.
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AngelFNV May 16, 12
Its not about graphics? What the F*** is he smoking! At this rate I would not be pressurized if BF3 will still be better then Black-Ops 2 even. Change is the future, old dies fast.
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FishSquirrel May 16, 12
Remold an old house or knock it the feck down and build a new pad with a hot tub on the roof! feck u cod go and blow some fecking goats, I've had enough of this old tired shet!
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Ncjpr1993 May 16, 12
quote AngelFNV
Its not about graphics? What the F*** is he smoking! At this rate I would not be pressurized if BF3 will still be better then Black-Ops 2 even. Change is the future, old dies fast.
The importance of graphics is certainly up for debate. Take Mortal Kombat for the Vita for example: the graphics are pretty lackluster, more like those of a PS2 title than PS3 quality; yet the gameplay runs just as well as it did on the consoles. They are not keeping the graphics down because they don't feel like working on them, they are sacrificing quality in one area for another.

Well, I hope.
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AngelFNV May 17, 12
quote Ncjpr1993
quote AngelFNV
Its not about graphics? What the F*** is he smoking! At this rate I would not be pressurized if BF3 will still be better then Black-Ops 2 even. Change is the future, old dies fast.
The importance of graphics is certainly up for debate. Take Mortal Kombat for the Vita for example: the graphics are pretty lackluster, more like those of a PS2 title than PS3 quality; yet the gameplay runs just as well as it did on the consoles. They are not keeping the graphics down because they don't feel like working on them, they are sacrificing quality in one area for another.

Well, I hope.
Yes but Mortal Combat is 2D or side view of the player. In COD-BO2 is first person view. Thus you as the player merge into the world & it requires it to be realistic. Otherwise its crap not the full experience of what you paid for, unless you do not mind paying for something thats not worth its price?
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ShadowJ May 17, 12
AngelFNV You seem to be a graphics whore, no more or no less than that.

Graphics are a factor for a game but graphics alone does not make the game sell.

quote AngelFNV
unless you do not mind paying for something thats not worth its price?
If a game has a great storyline and gameplay mechanics then it will sell, even if the graphics are sub-par or entry level for the current technology.

Think about it, for BF3 most people needed to update their PC, for MW3, they didn't. It's like the reason consoles are preferred over PCs, to play games 4 years after a console has been released, you do not need to upgrade the console you just put the disc in the tray and off you go.

Now if Acti were smart, they could take advantage of the work that their rivals have already put in place by indeed stepping up the graphics to be on par with BF3's but as you may have also noticed, comparing MW sales to BF3 sales; although personally I think BF3 is the better game, MW3 outsold and out-profited BF3 tenfold, main reason being that MW3 could be picked up by every fan of the franchise AND all BF3 fans AND new fans to the franchise while BF3 forced all fans to update.
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