Neoseeker : News : EA wants to know what's great about Origin, and what's missing
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Faust May 3, 12
Oh, they want to know what's wrong with Origin? Probably the borderline criminal terms of agreement it tried to use for awhile, and the fact that, you know, it's not Steam, that thing that's been doing what it does better for a much longer period of time.

What's good about it? Mass Effect and....nope, that's it.
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tekmosis May 3, 12
I was going to comment on their thread, logged in and then was like ehh....I don't really give a shit and closed the tab.
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omnious May 3, 12
Whats good: nothing
What it needs: to be steam
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Lorx May 3, 12
I like how so many of the comments really are the same thing:
"We trust your program about as far as we could throw our monitors, and we trust you, EA, even less"
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ShadowJ May 3, 12
"needs to be steam" - to those with this comment, I shall reply with "sheep"

The whole point of being a rival is to give competition. Yes Origin has a long way to go in terms of being massively successful like steam but "needs to be steam" wouldn't help at all would it?

Why? Well simple...all those stating that would then cry and wet their pants because EA are copying Valve...so then we get into the cycle of hating EA over and over again.

If anything Origin just needs to be more friendly and share the spotlight with over developers and publishers.

If anything I would prefer an easy way of accessing DLC/expansions and an easier way of searching for games...that's me happy with both steam and Origin

Why is it so *bleep*ing hard for people to accept or adapt? Sure it's another platform and not all games are in the same place or one place but how did you people survive when Direct 2 Drive came about? or even how the hell did you survive when steam was nothing but a pile of crap and a method of selling Counter Strike?
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Faust May 3, 12
quote ShadowJ
Why is it so *bleep*ing hard for people to accept or adapt? Sure it's another platform and not all games are in the same place or one place but how did you people survive when Direct 2 Drive came about? or even how the hell did you survive when steam was nothing but a pile of crap and a method of selling Counter Strike?
Why should I adapt when another company providing the same service does it, not only better, but in a way that isn't nearly criminal? Did you even read the original terms of use that EA had for Origin? They originally said that they could use any material on your computer they wanted, and, that you waived your right to trial by jury, that you also can't sue them, and if you try to, you can't do it by class action, but only as an individual? Yeah, that's a totally legit company. Sure, those terms of use were thrown out because they're illegal, but the fact that this company even TRIED to pull that is pretty shitty.

What did we do before steam was good? Buy hard copies of games. However, steam kicks ass now, and isn't horribly unethical, and makes game playing/purchasing super easy.

Besides, all Origin is now is a pile of crap and a method of selling Mass Effect 3, the difference between Origin and Valve in this regard is that Origin won't move past these shit roots. If it weren't for that one game, NO ONE would have it. Hell, I personally know a couple of people that PIRATED the game rather than use Origin, because *bleep* that. They were going to buy it, but if they have to deal with such an unethical company, they'd rather steal it. Lesser evil, supposedly.
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ShadowJ May 3, 12
Origin = only mass effect 3?

So then why do I have BF3, BC2, Kingdoms of Amalur, Burnout Paradise and other EA games on Origin? Origin isn't all about ME3...sure Origin is mainly built to advertise and promote EA games but this one platform rules them all shit is well bullshit.

Personally I have no issues with using one or more platforms, it's just like shopping in multiple shops within the shopping centre...I understand that some people don't like that but that is no reason to hate on a rival platform...you don't hate Amazon because they sell games.

*claps* So those people you know just throw fuel on the fire and give developers and publishers ALL the more reason to blame piracy...those idiots were better off just boycotting EA rather than pirating.

As to the terms, yes I read them but those terms have been changed if I am correct...so they pulled something like that, it's nothing new...now if they didn't change the terms and still expected people to use Origin then sure I would be pissed but since they are changed, I have no issues with them...though I suppose it's quite nice in a sense that there are some people out there that actually do read the Terms and Conditions...though I do believe they weren't as "criminal" as you are pointing them out to be.

In fact I believe the actual and original terms stated that Origin would record al sorts of data from your computer and happily sell it to third parties, which your precious Steam does...difference is, Origin's agreement was mandatory and Steam's is optional (Users can opt-out)

That's why when it was found out...people classed Origin as spyware

Any other reasons you want to give that I can bust open?
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Lorx May 3, 12
I don't really see any issues...busted open.

BF3 ME3 are the only successfuls title EA's launched as an Origin Exclusive.
  • KoA is on Steam
  • BC2 wasn't even released during Origin's time, and is on Steam
  • Burnout Paradise is, again, on Steam
Nobody sane is complaining about competition in the market. If that was the case, you would see whining about D2D and pre-Gamestop Impulse.

If you took a look at the comments on the link, you would probably be noticing things like:

(names are the net upvotes)

quote +120
I do like the ability to download games that I've purchased through other distribution sites and overall the program works rather smoothly. I do not like the privacy policy, the integration with Battlefield 3 is horribly obtuse and obstructive and only through the brilliance of BF3 do I suffer through the quagmire of the Battlelog and origin integration. I do not purchase anything through origin directly and I fully intend to uninstall origin the second I'm done playing Battlefield 3
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The store page. oh gosh I hate the store page. Show more content on it! Featured games, on sales, top sellers, upcoming... You know, all the stuff I miss from my Stream Store page.
quote +98
I am not fond of not having a an option to send statistical data to EA. there should be an option to send and or not send statistical data. it should NOT be mandatory. Remove this from the EULA and stop siphoning data from my workstation. Auto updates/DLC downloads would be nice, instead of having to manually do it. Clock in the overlay def is something needed.
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have to say something nice? I like that... my steam keys will activate games on origin. It's still a pile of crap compared to steam. and keeping your PC games off steam in order to force users to origin isn't making me more likely to buy EA games, it makes me less likely. Your EULA and basically everything EA does as a company is unfriendly to the customers. I run origin to play BF3 and ME3. that's it. and only because I can't get them on steam. and why the heck is bioware crap still in points
Common theme: Nothing to do with anything you've said.
  • Usability
  • Interface of the store
  • BF3's horrible jesus why Battlelog system.
  • Not trusting EA
This is where your argument is falling short every time this comes up man. You're stating that the program can do this, can do that, competition is good, games get released, but none of these things are the issue. The main issues are really, really simple. The UI is kinda wonky, BF3 shouldn't launch the way it does, and most of all:
Nobody wants to be a part of a digital distribution service where they can't trust the company running it.
The downside of DD Services is that as a consumer, you really don't own much, or have much legal ground. If the company wants to knock you off their service, they can, meaning the consumer's just wasted anywhere from five dollars to five thousand dollars. The only thing that makes the system...work, what makes people actually okay with using things like Steam, is that they trust the people that run the services they choose. And it's really, really hard to trust EA with all of the crap they pull on a monthly basis. This is not something you will be able to convince people of, trust is not earned through a third party rallying up the forces. If EA wants people to use Origin, they have to prove themselves they are worthy of player trust. Before you start saying that "Steam does this!" "Steam does that!", remember that people actually trust Valve with these things. No company is perfect, but Valve has earned the trust of tons of people, and that, is the answer to the question you asked:
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how the hell did you survive when steam was nothing but a pile of crap and a method of selling Counter Strike?
Trust.

Important.

People do not trust EA
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Faust May 3, 12
http://www.geek.com/articles/games/eas-origin-terms-of-service-updated-to-block-lawsuits-20110926/

Huh, that looks a lot like they were saying that by using their service, i'd waive my right to trial by jury. In fact, those are the exact words. Yep, nothing criminal about that.
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Lorx May 3, 12
Why fix something you can just put lawyers in front of?
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ShadowJ May 3, 12
quote Byzantine
http://www.geek.com/articles/games/eas-origin-terms-of-service-updated-to-block-lawsuits-20110926/

Huh, that looks a lot like they were saying that by using their service, i'd waive my right to trial by jury. In fact, those are the exact words. Yep, nothing criminal about that.
Right, so why don't I see Sony users or PSN users kicking up a fuss, as that article mentions that it is in their ToS, which is probably where EA got the idea from.

Also if you read the full ToS as linked within that same article you will find the B section under that sentence

quote EA ToS
B. Binding Arbitration. If you and EA are unable to resolve a Dispute through informal negotiations within 30 days after receipt of the Notice of Dispute, either you or EA may elect to have the Dispute finally and exclusively resolved by binding arbitration. Any election to arbitrate by one party shall be final and binding on the other. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT BY THIS PROVISION, YOU AND EA ARE FOREGOING THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL
What that means is that if within 30 days, if you and EA cannot come to an agreement and either you or EA calls for a binding arbitration then you and EA will go to court and have a jury trial.

All perfectly legal from what I can see...as it gives EA 30 days to try and settle things with minimising the loss as much as possible (Perfectly fine and I'm sure you can somehow understand this method from a business PoV) before things get out of hand and the lawyers get involved...so again yes before their ToS was shoddy, it has now been tweaked to keep everyone happy while protecting themselves as let's face it, every tom, dick and harry every day attempts to sue the pants off any company over a small issue...it's how today's world works "Hey you made me drop my ice cream, I SUE YOU!!!"

Again, if due to this ToS business that you do not trust EA any more then fair enough...not going to wrestle and waste my time with fighting that reason but calling it "criminal"...yeah that's an over reaction...then again I am not from the US...I do not have that lovely first right amendment that allows me to shout my rights at the top of my lungs

lorx My comment was purely made towards Byz's comment...not towards the article or the comments within the article. Yes trust is a big factor and I do understand that if someone doesn't trust a service then they won't use it...that is a completely fine reason to avoid it.

As to the games I named...the ones on Steam I pointed out purely because of that. The others I pointed out because Byz was making it sound like that the only reason anyone got Origin was for Mass Effect 3...in other words I was pointing out that there are more games on Origin that people got.

Not to mention Mass Effect 3 was sold in other places too, it just wasn't on steam due to their current conflicts and GAME because they were going into administration.

Furthermore, like I said...Origin isn't perfect, hell there's things I would have done and made sure were in before the launch day but I'm not the one running EA, I am not the one running the Origin team.

So all in all the only reason (if EA decided to listen to feedback and improve Origin) to hate on Origin is because someone doesn't trust EA as a company...fair enough, so why not just say that rather than all this jargon that we have above?
Last edited by ShadowJ :: May 3, 12
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moo May 4, 12
It said arbitration, which could mean something other than a jury trial. Also, you guys are forgetting that Origin can ban accounts from even playing the games they bought, because they asked a pointed question in the forums.

And now they want to ask what's wrong with their services? Bah, they can't be that stupid.
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Lorx May 4, 12
You're still missing the point ShadowJ, the fact that you are debating this, here, with other people, means that they are all saying in unison "We do not trust EA". Byzantine included. You're not going to convince anybody, because the root of all their complaints is the trust issue. The EULA? People have a problem with it because of trust, not because of who the fine print says EA can bring into court, or what they can look at. You've said yourself it's a fine reason to not use a service, so why bother fighting against that?

Also, ME3 required Origin to run, "where it was sold" never was a huge issue.
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