Neoseeker : News : Mass Effect 3 "From Ashes" DLC found on disc, BioWare explains
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BlackScythe Mar 12, 12
"Yea it was fully developed after the game was shipped"
"No we had to put 'some' into the game..."

Yea bioware we get it, you're out on a money grab mission, have fun you aren't getting another dime from me. I'd bet money the next DLC will be an actual ending to the game after the garbage they gave us.
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Jaw7765 Mar 12, 12
Yeah the ending was terrible. I got an idea, why couldn't they of added this in the game instead of the crappy mulitiplayer with enemy "Falcon Boot!" that kills you instantly.

Anyways, as a whole it didn't feel like it was worth in the N7 or if some paid for it, the $10. Being on disc or not, still was crap. Not only did it feel half-ass done, but we were given a prothean that doesn't really to my opinion feel like he even belonged in the story. He almost felt like he was just there, along with most of my crew in this one.
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Crafter Mar 12, 12
Last nail in the coffin for me. I try my best not to buy from liars, especially ones trying to nickle n dime you.

quote Bioware
"During that certification time, we had a small team of developers begin to craft the ‘From Ashes’ content, with the intent to finish production on it long after ME3 was out of our hands as a dev team."
It's funny how you can begin doing something after (part of?) it is already on the disc. Smooth.
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Exevier Mar 12, 12
The video doesn't show to what extent the DLC can be accessed on the disc. The quote in the article indicates that only partial content exists on the disc. My guess would be just the basic combat use since we didn't see any conversations or any of the actual DLC mission. I'm guessing whatever's there had to be included for a future squad member to be implemented (presumably they already decided they wanted a Prothean) and not feel completely half-assed.

No regrets buying the N7 edition here.
Staff
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bluexy Mar 12, 12
EA, just charge $70 for a full game and let me try and find a reasonable sale, or wait until it fits my budget. Please stop playing games, forcing me to evaluate whether this is going to be one of your good DLCs or bad sets. Or whether it's significant enough to bother purchasing before I do my first playthrough, etc. Be respectful, is all.
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Lorx Mar 12, 12
One of the issues I have, is that they took the most plot-centric squadmate and used him as DLC. By Bioware's own statement they crafted the complete squad early on, but built the the character last, by a separate team, etc. That still leaves that they chose to place him as DLC.
There's nobody else in your squad more centric to the plot and lore than him. That he's DLC is just a low blow to the wallet.

Simply put Limmic, if DLC is done right, we shouldn't hate it. As you said, it's optional, there should be no pressure to download it or anything. If done correctly, DLC is a
good
thing. Problem is when it's done without much thought, well, this happens. People being mad over DLC, tends to be a sign there's something wrong with it. Provided of course, there's a legitimate reason to be mad about it, and those people aren't just being cheap.
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Lorx Mar 13, 12
It's very true he's not plot-essential. He is however, plot-centric. What his race accomplished, what they made, what they began to make, what plans they set in motion for the future, where they failed, even his race's existence in the first place, is super important stuff. As a species, they pretty much are the sole reason anything ever happens in the ME series besides loldeath. Besides Shepard of course, because I don't think punching reporters is very Prothean Shepard is basically...well, he's Shepard.

No doubt that the game and DLC are selling very well, the game is very good after all. The sales it gets, it deserves. Bio-EA are just being far too greedy for me to feel right joining in on that. I like buying games when it feels like the company respects me as a person, rather than a wallet.
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Limmic Mar 13, 12
Before going further, Lorx, I do commend you on having an actual rationally thought out reason for your argument in this mine field of nonsensical rambling and knee-jerk reactions. That being said...

Sure, Protheans in general were the catalyst for Shepard discovering a great deal in the series. But Javik himself, while his species (and being the sole remaining member I suppose) is relevant to the backstory, doesn't offer much through his interactions with Shepard.

If this DLC came out three months from now, there wouldn't be this uproar about it. People are angry because they don't seem to get the inner workings of game development despite being told by Casey Hudson himself via Twitter and interviews. They mentioned that Kasumi was integrated similarly in ME2, that a placeholder existed on-disc because they knew she would be DLC later. And more importantly was the Shadow Broker DLC in ME2, it was plot-significant (to current galactic events), and included a very important character to the series. Because that came out later it wasn't given the same criticism, but in reality it's not really any different. It was important for a good deal of fans, and was finished after the main content, yet there would have been some sort of on-disc content there as well. The argument stems from it being release-date DLC, and people not really understanding how that worked, or at least not being able to remove that from their mind when they argue about it.

I love the series, and will buy whatever story/character DLC they release just to get some more Mass Effect, as it's one of the few games I am a completionist with. One thing that made me question people's sanity are the people claiming they would "boycott the game entirely". If that was on the basis of DLC marketing/pricing/etc. then it would make more sense to buy the game, but not the DLC. And that's what it comes down to, if you really hate it, don't buy it. And while that might be a crappy statement, I would rather have the option, should I choose, to buy more Mass Effect content.

Companies like EA will always try and get an extra buck from gamers if possible, because all we will ever be is a potential sale to them, so in the end what's left for us is that we can speak with our wallets. I just decide what games I feel are worth the content for sale and what ones aren't, and I think the Mass Effect series DLC is worth the money, minus Pinnacle Station...that one sucked.
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BlackScythe Mar 13, 12
I've gamed since the early 90s, when developers tried to make the best games they could. Now developers trapped in super publishers could care less about the quality of the game they just try to get more money out of you. I don't approve of that and never will. Insulting me with the title of whiner because you disagree with me? Real mature.

I am upset and am totally in my rights to express my displeasure, because when I don't buy Bioware again they will know exactly why they aren't getting my money any longer.
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Lorx Mar 13, 12
If the DLC came out in three months I can see there being no uproar about it. Internet knee-jerks about everything, you got that right.
Something I didn't notice while playing through ME2 and it's DLC was how much I dislike how BioEA runs their DLC. Well, besides that Cerberus Network thing for new copies, that was actually rather brilliant and I will still commend BioEA for doing that. As you said, they'll always try and get an extra buck off of us. That's kind of what they do, we're just a potential sale.
But the thing is, I'm not really okay with that. Not that I wish to personally be important to a developer or anything. I'm just a fish in a vast sea after all. But having run into quite a few developers that care about the game and it's community as a whole moreso than the profit, I just can't really go for obvious nickel and dime tripe anymore. Feels not only disheartening, but kind of a waste. When Bioware was in the planning stages, and decided to make the Prothean of all people the DLC, that's the kind of decisions I can't back with my wallet. They could have chosen just about anybody, and they chose for the sales figures. They're a business and they're allowed to do that, but it's not something I'll back with my money. If others do, more power to them, and I thoroughly hope they have an experience they deem worth their money. I realize my stance is not some universal truth or truly right or wrong, but I buy based on morals of the team behind it. When I buy it's not that I'm buying a specific game, I purchase more as a sign of support (you know, and actually liking the game). It is an entertainment industry after all, if there's a game I want but really just don't feel right supporting, there's always something that gives a similar experience that I can look into instead.

Also Limmic, welcome to the site, glad you decided to join.
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DedValve Mar 13, 12
ME3 was a labour of love for the dev team," explains Gamble. "To finish a game like ME3, it literally takes months of intense bug fixing and certification. At this point, our goal is to polish the game to an extremely high quality – not to add extra content. You hopefully see a lot of that polish in ME3."

Is that why people aren't complaining about falling through maps, having multiplayer unlicks being relocked for no reason Even if you paid with real money, unable to recruit drell, hanar or spectres to their final fight if they imported (this glitch affects anyone who imported their Shepard) and can't get the "good" ending unless they play mp (you have to play all 3 games in a VERY specific order and unlock everything and then some in order to get the good ending but without drell, hanar and spectres because of the glitch this is nearly impossible without multiplayer) Or why some guns shoot blank?

That's some terrific polish right there
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Lorx Mar 13, 12
Good old fashioned spit-shine!
yeehaw.
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LloydToS Mar 13, 12
These things aren't new at all, not just Bioware has done this. This isn't just because of what they say, it's always about money and as long as companies keep doing this I won't be getting DLC. For those that do get DLC, if you've read this you now have a good reason not to buy it aswell.
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Limmic Mar 13, 12
BlackScythe Hardcore, old school gamer, eh? Me too, first game I remember playing was the first Dragon Warrior aka Dragon Quest on the good old NES. I kind of agree with the statement that more work was put into games back then, if only because they didn't have shiny graphics to fill in the game. Square-Enix is one company that fell victim to that. Final Fantasy VI versus Final Fantasy XIII...try not to fall out of your chair laughing at the comparison. But I do feel like there is still some quality out there in the gaming world, it's just not as prevalent these days. I blame the new generation and their 10 minute attention span. Without massive amounts of Red Bull they can't play something that doesn't have explosions every 2-3 minutes.

The fact is that DLC sells, well because it sells, it's a business model that makes them tons of money whether people like it or not. I generally like the concept of DLC more than the actual implementation of it, but I am in favor of having optional additional content after a game hits shelves.

Also, I am equally within my rights to label you a whiner for whining about DLC as a business model. Your argument was that you didn't like it because....you have to pay for it? That's not an argument, it's a statement. And a whiny one at that.

Also, make sure to write Bioware/EA a letter next time you don't buy from them again, otherwise they might not be sure why they didn't get your money.


Lorx - Perhaps they realized what they had thought up and written for the Prothean just wasn't up to snuff with the rest of the content and made a change in how they were going to make it. I mean just compared to the rest of the squadmates they are all much more fleshed out than he is, so maybe they came up with his character late in development and just didn't have the time to make him more substantial of a character. Seeing what he has to offer, he feels like a DLC character, even compared to James Vega. If they had gone further with his story, or had some interactions beyond audio over the comm system, with other characters then perhaps he'd feel a bit bigger of a character. Sure, this is just speculation on my part, but just based solely on what he adds to the game, he feels on par with a Zaeed or Kasumi in regards to his level of depth.

I've read the site for a while now, but finally decided to join up, as I usually don't comment and they only let you comment twice as a guest...
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