Neoseeker : News : CD Projekt no longer sending legal threats to suspected pirates
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Grimdark Jan 12, 12
They don't support piracy whatsoever and have a non-invasive piracy method and the fans were starting to oppose it? Are these fans idiots? Piracy is piracy regardless and shouldn't be tolerated.
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Supernova1332 Jan 12, 12
quote DC Sniper
have a non-invasive piracy method
Until they release the details as to how they were tracked down that's still to be determined.

While I'm not a terribly big fan of The Witcher I bought it during steam's holiday sales. Not only for the unique story and combat but also because of the company's stance on DRM, as was the reason I've bought all of the Humble Indie Bundles so far(But I digress). The idea that the company would go through a far worse means than DRM to protect their game enraged the hell out of me. To think that they employed another company to track down pirates rather than pay one of their own software engineers to put in even a cheesy single activation DRM. Where was the money I spent on the game going to? The devs/publishers/next game or some legal crusade over a few pennies?

I imagine that their tracking methods were at least better than the american judicial system, but there are flaws within every system and innocent people were bound to be accused without merit.
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Trafalgar Jan 12, 12
quote Supernova1332
quote DC Sniper
have a non-invasive piracy method
Until they release the details as to how they were tracked down that's still to be determined.

While I'm not a terribly big fan of The Witcher I bought it during steam's holiday sales. Not only for the unique story and combat but also because of the company's stance on DRM, as was the reason I've bought all of the Humble Indie Bundles so far(But I digress). The idea that the company would go through a far worse means than DRM to protect their game enraged the hell out of me. To think that they employed another company to track down pirates rather than pay one of their own software engineers to put in even a cheesy single activation DRM. Where was the money I spent on the game going to? The devs/publishers/next game or some legal crusade over a few pennies?

I imagine that their tracking methods were at least better than the american judicial system, but there are flaws within every system and innocent people were bound to be accused without merit.
But it was hardly a few pennies. The game has been pirated many, many times more than it has been legitimately purchased, and DRM wouldn't help - especially not the single-activation variety.

I thought CDP were justified in doing what they did, providing the measures they took to trace pirates were as accurate as they say and didn't break privacy laws. A direct approach to piracy - letting pirates know that their actions may have consequences - is probably the only way to effectively discourage it.
A questionable use of our investment in their company, yes. A shady, undisclosed tracking method, yes. But they're a company I trust and respect... and I really don't like game pirates.
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Grimdark Jan 12, 12
quote Supernova1332
I imagine that their tracking methods were at least better than the american judicial system, but there are flaws within every system and innocent people were bound to be accused without merit.
Until they release the details as to how they were tracked down that's still to be determined as to the exact accuracy.
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Naked Snak3 Jan 12, 12
They could have handled the whole thing a lot better, but it must be hard being a small EU company trying to make a name for itself. I don't think they have much to worry about. Anyone who follows CDP news knows they treat their fans very well.
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Duncan Idaho Jan 13, 12
quote DC Sniper
They don't support piracy whatsoever and have a non-invasive piracy method and the fans were starting to oppose it? Are these fans idiots? Piracy is piracy regardless and shouldn't be tolerated.
DC not everybody can buy an original copy of a game, if you ever go to venezuela or a south american country the merchants, have few to 0 restrictions on how to put a price for a game, they often sell an original game at 500% it's true price , while the pirated game costs -100% it's original price, in otehr words a 50$ dollar cost at least 2500$ and a pirated copy only costs 5$.

Despite piracy not being good, it's a measure to fight merchants who sell overly-priced games AND the goverments give a shit 'bout them.
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Grimdark Jan 13, 12
You mean markup? Something that is a perfectly valid and legal business practice? That's not a legitimate excuse for piracy. If you want X game so badly, buy it off of the internet. Clearly, the markup is nowhere near as bad for stores like Amazon, no?
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TigusVidiks Jan 13, 12
If they release the methods they are using to identify the pirates, they will be giving them the knowledge to dodge and evade those measures. It works exactly because no one knows how they do it. And so far, no gamer they accused was a wrong accusation. At least no one tryed to press charges against them, which indicates their method was flawless. If when developers find a correct way of fighting piracy that doesn't use DRM, online passes, or any other game breaking bullcrap, we turn on them and force them to stop it, then how can we complain if they all turn to the same methods? In the next few years, every developer will be using online passes and DRMs. And the honest gamers who complained so much, will be hands tied to do anything, while pirates will keep to their business as usual. CD Projekt should have stick with it.
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Duncan Idaho Jan 13, 12
quote DC Sniper
You mean markup? Something that is a perfectly valid and legal business practice? That's not a legitimate excuse for piracy. If you want X game so badly, buy it off of the internet. Clearly, the markup is nowhere near as bad for stores like Amazon, no?
Again you forget not everybody has access to $, getting $ on venezuela needs a credit card, then for that you need to get a job on the formal sector, then you need to pay the goverment the amount of cash on your own coin before given the dollars and that is if the goverment is on the mood to give the $, also a legit busniess practice charging you 2500$ for something that is only worth 50$? it's citizen who bankrupt not the owners of the stores.
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Supernova1332 Jan 13, 12
quote Trafalgar
But it was hardly a few pennies. The game has been pirated many, many times more than it has been legitimately purchased, and DRM wouldn't help - especially not the single-activation variety.

I thought CDP were justified in doing what they did, providing the measures they took to trace pirates were as accurate as they say and didn't break privacy laws. A direct approach to piracy - letting pirates know that their actions may have consequences - is probably the only way to effectively discourage it.
A questionable use of our investment in their company, yes. A shady, undisclosed tracking method, yes. But they're a company I trust and respect... and I really don't like game pirates.
If you had read the original article you would know that they were only sending out letters in Germany, nowhere else. Given that China is still one of the leading countries in total pieces of pirated materials at about 82% of all software in the country, could be less by now as I'm going by slightly older reports. Germany had a piracy rate of 27%, now it's entirely possible that with a piracy rate of 27% the 65 Million people in germany downloaded every copy of the game, but that wouldn't be very realistic especially when there are 384 Million people in china with internet access.

I'm not saying that all of the piracy is coming from china but lets at least TRY to put some perspective on this huh?
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Trafalgar Jan 13, 12
quote Supernova1332
quote Trafalgar
But it was hardly a few pennies. The game has been pirated many, many times more than it has been legitimately purchased, and DRM wouldn't help - especially not the single-activation variety.

I thought CDP were justified in doing what they did, providing the measures they took to trace pirates were as accurate as they say and didn't break privacy laws. A direct approach to piracy - letting pirates know that their actions may have consequences - is probably the only way to effectively discourage it.
A questionable use of our investment in their company, yes. A shady, undisclosed tracking method, yes. But they're a company I trust and respect... and I really don't like game pirates.
If you had read the original article you would know that they were only sending out letters in Germany, nowhere else. Given that China is still one of the leading countries in total pieces of pirated materials at about 82% of all software in the country, could be less by now as I'm going by slightly older reports. Germany had a piracy rate of 27%, now it's entirely possible that with a piracy rate of 27% the 65 Million people in germany downloaded every copy of the game, but that wouldn't be very realistic especially when there are 384 Million people in china with internet access.

I'm not saying that all of the piracy is coming from china but lets at least TRY to put some perspective on this huh?
Well I did know they were only sending letters out in Germany... although I will admit I didn't get that piece of info from this particular article, rather one posted on the Escapist. I skimmed this one because I already knew the story

You've got to start somewhere though, right? Piracy cost them millions in Europe, too. Not a patch on China, no... but if more than one in four copies of their best-selling title to date is pirated in Germany alone... well. I stand by what I said.
Also, I'd like to see them try to send letters to Chinese pirates - I somehow don't see that ending with any success.
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Trafalgar Jan 13, 12
Also, where did you find those piracy figures? CDP themselves have estimated that only one in five copies of the game are LEGITIMATE. I don't blame them for wanting to do something - anything! - about figures like that.
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Supernova1332 Jan 13, 12
http://global.bsa.org/idcglobalstudy2007/ IDC study for BSA
Google/ World Bank Population info

I'm not saying they shouldn't do anything about piracy but there's alot of it that's out of their control entirely and there are less abrasive measures still.
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RabidChinaGirl Jan 13, 12
To understand folks' concern over CDP's undisclosed methods, you gotta remember that previous attempts to track through torrent sites have mostly been ineffective.

The first article (linked in this one) mentions the infamous Davenport case, specifically.
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