Neoseeker : News : Windows 8 adopts Xbox LIVE branding for PC games
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Euphoric Sep 13, 11
As long as GFWL is scrapped and this is actually a reimagining of the console service then it could be really promising. If "rebranding" is all it is then Microsoft need a reminder that calling shit beautiful doesn't make it so.
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VeGiTAX2 Sep 13, 11
GFWL was phased out already this summer and everything already started migrating to Xbox.com. kinda awkward that many pc users never knew though
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Euphoric Sep 13, 11
For me it's most likely because as soon as that abomination is mentioned I tune out. They really butchered their chance that time around. Let's hope this time they've learned some lessons.
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Crafter Sep 13, 11
Everything I've seen of Windows 8 so far is very unappealing, especially the possibility of integrated GFWL/XBL. Hopefully they can clean it up, but I have a feeling I'll be sticking with Windows7 for quite a while.
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THM Sep 13, 11
Window 8?? 85% of educational institutions and home and businesses are still using Window Xp...
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walnuts Sep 13, 11
Question is, will it still be free for PC users, or will it require a subscription of some sorts?

Steam is still the premier achievements/community system for PC gamers as far as I am concerned. Will take a lot to beat it.
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Euphoric Sep 13, 11
walnuts, if Live on PC is properly integrated with the console then it will easily eclipse Steam. That said, it has an impossibly long way to go from where it is now. I'm a Steam fan by the way.
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walnuts Sep 13, 11
But I don't want it integrated with the console. I don't own an Xbox, and I don't plan on buying one anytime soon, so being able to link my games or whatever between the two is a non issue.

PC gamers need to stop being treated as an afterthought to the console market. Rebranding the Xbox Live service smacks of nothing more than token lip service on Microsoft's behalf.
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Euphoric Sep 13, 11
You really don't like them do you.

I am both a console and PC user. In fact it's probably 50/50 split between the two. Speaking for myself and the vast majority of my mates, if done properly this service could be revolutionary and game changing in terms of the future of gaming. Even if you aren't a console gamer you surely can't want to halt potential progress.
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walnuts Sep 13, 11
I'm not against console gaming, far from it. I just don't like my experience being maximized dependent on buying and using a console.

I'm sure it'll revolutionize the market if it takes off, but for me, I'll be sticking with Steam for a good while yet.
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Hellfire29 Sep 13, 11
Microsoft can't make a successful service if they charge for it. With all the free gaming services on the PC already, it would be suicide to charge. Subscription only works on the 360 because it's a closed platform, you can't expect an open platform to have much want for a subscription service if their are any alternatives.
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VeGiTAX2 Sep 13, 11
quote walnuts
Question is, will it still be free for PC users, or will it require a subscription of some sorts?

Steam is still the premier achievements/community system for PC gamers as far as I am concerned. Will take a lot to beat it.
My initial post addressed that, GFWL already became Xbox Live a while back. The same principles are being held for it even though they did the name change. You still pay for DLC and other features but your online time isn't being charged unless decided by the developer (MMO's).
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Stewox Sep 14, 11
i know i won't be using win8 at all - it's another vista
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Lorx Sep 14, 11
quote walnuts
Question is, will it still be free for PC users, or will it require a subscription of some sorts?
Above all else, even whether or not the system is complete GFWL-ish trash, subscription fees will be what decides if the rebrand floats or sinks. If it works like XBL, "Not paying for gold? Well sucks to be you!", Steam will stomp on it. No amount of integration or fancy fonts will be able change that. It's services have to compete with what Steam offers while being completely free in order for it to have a chance to prove to PC gamers it's not as bad as GFWL. Which is saying a lot, considering for example that many people bought DoWII Retribution just to shake GWFL off their game. That's a lot of distaste right there, and sub fees matter even more.

For console gamers who don't really mess with the PC that much, it may seem like that can't be true, as XBL is just "that good", but we've been spoiled by how good Steam treats the general user, and there's no amount of "but XBL does this cool thing!" that can make up for that enough to make those people dish out a sub fee.
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