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Windows 7 RC date official, XP mode unveiled

Sean Ridgeley - Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:57am (PST) 0 Favourite (0)

Say hello to true backwards compatibility

Windows 7 RC date official, XP mode unveiled Image 1

Source: Windows 7 team blog

Alternate Source: Supersite for Windows

Section: OS & Software

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    Guest Apr 25, 09
    Suddenly, Microsoft's inane "PCs are cheap" advertising campaign makes sense! It's a 2-stager.

    Stage 1: "The hardware is cheaper"

    Stage 2: "The total cost of switching is cheaper"

    It's as if MS is saying: You're going to want to keep your old apps, no matter which OS you switch to. All the new OSs support virtualization and allow you to take your apps with you. Windows 7 comes with it built in, and comes with a copy of XP - the most popular OS of all time.

    That new blood @ Microsoft is doing some good. If only they could get rid of Ballmer without losing too much face, the company may see the type of REAL innovation that went on in the early 90s but hasn't been seen since 9/11.

    Holding onto corporations is key to Microsoft's success. Windows 7 is shaping up to be the real successor to XP we should have seen in 2004.

    Of course, in 2004, I switched to a Mac (the last of the PPCs). I can't run Windows 7 on my current Mac, but look forward to Dual Booting my next one to a much better Windows experience than the one I left behind.
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    Guest Apr 25, 09
    Why do we have to have something virtual? Just real XP. What was wrong there? I did not see a SINGLE improvement after XP. ZERO... 0.0
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    killerkid22 Apr 26, 09
    boo, vista hater lol
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    Bill Gates03 Apr 26, 09
    So, this should run XP programs just as efficiently as on a XP machine?
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    Cheesysoapopra Apr 26, 09
    quote pin_gwin
    Why do we have to have something virtual? Just real XP. What was wrong there? I did not see a SINGLE improvement after XP. ZERO... 0.0
    Then stick with XP.
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    chautemoc Apr 26, 09
    That's the idea, anyway.
    Maybe even better!
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    Bill Gates03 Apr 26, 09
    Yeah, I'm stoked. I am actually really looking forward to this!

    Haha... I just thought.

    So, Windows 7 x64... will I have THREE Program Files folders?
    C:\Program Files
    C:\Program Files (x86)
    C:\Program Files (XPM)

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    brett108 Apr 26, 09
    This will run XP apps even better than XP? Who are you trying to fool here? Us or yourselves? From the sound of it, the XP mode does not use your hardware, so it is essentially emulating. Does anyone have an emulator that they think works better than the actual device? I would say a resounding no. This sounds like an even greater resource hog than Vista.

    Wait until it comes out and the experts have an idea of its capabilities. Then we will know, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

    As for sticking with XP, since major corporations and software developers are still primarilly working with XP, I would not berate anyone for doing the same.
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    chautemoc Apr 26, 09
    Having another bad day, sweetie?

    I have plenty of emulators that run things better than the actual device..
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    Guest Apr 27, 09
    quote brett108
    This will run XP apps even better than XP? Who are you trying to fool here? Us or yourselves? From the sound of it, the XP mode does not use your hardware, so it is essentially emulating. Does anyone have an emulator that they think works better than the actual device?
    Hahaha, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

    Are you telling me (us) that I (we) need the exact same hardware that Microsoft uses? Or that you use? Sorry, but XP, as well as any other operating system, is software. And software can be (rather) easily adapted. An OS (or firmware) can be specifically designed for certain hardware, but mostly for dedicated devices (phones, consoles, etc.) or special tasks (Supercomputers). XP certainly isn't tied to any specific hardware, nor any hardware combination: PCs are modular and there are many different hardware combinations out there, many running XP. And that's because XP, and other OSes, are designed to work with different hardware, internally or through firmware. Otherwise, we'd all have identical computers or our computers wouldn't work.

    To your credit, you're not entirely wrong though (Playing ROMs maybe?), you've just gotten things messed up: Hardware specific software can have varied performance depending on the individual build of the system and the code written to emulate the hardware. But it can still be run, sometimes even better than on the original hardware. That depends on how much effort is put into the emulation code.
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    brett108 Apr 27, 09
    I was having a bad day, thanks. Another horrible draft for my Raiders, but that is beside the point.

    The point I made is based on the original article. There are emulators that run better than the original, but they take a lot of work. If MS is not willing to put in the time, this feature could be fairly awful, hence the second part of my post, the wait and see what the testers come up with.

    As for X-acious, I don't think you get what the article was saying. As far as I can tell, the hardware resources are still being controlled by Windows 7, and it is simply running an XP SP3 program over itself(feel free to correct me if I am wrong). Layered programs are less reliable than simply running the OS, as there are more ways for errors in code execution to occur. I welcome comments, but since you clearly didn't seem to understand my comment, I would suggest you read the source article and reply back. My point was that software is running hardware to run more layers of software. So the the XP mode communicates to the underlying Windows 7 program, which then allocates resources and responds to the XP program. It can be done, as it is essentially how games and other apps are run on a computer, but there would be more complications to do it with a complete OS which will be running its own programs. Reminds me of when Macs let you emulate Windows. Those never worked that well, far worse than a PC with installed Windows.
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    Guest May 7, 09
    Vista for the rough edges it has compared to 7, is every bit as good in the security field. Technically, out of the box, it's more secure. So that won't be the case this time around. And for the record, it was the truth between XP and Vista. Vista x64 is substantially more secure through OS protections than XP is. Vista still won't be as fast as 7. Won't have the superbar. But under the hood, for the most part, they're pretty much the same.
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