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Author:   ZombieVito
Date:   Dec 19, 12 at 5:49pm (PST)
Subject:   DBZ Power Level List
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Hi there, been lurking the forum for some time now and decided today to sign up and show my PL list I been making for some years now. I'm all for comments (I'm actually hoping for some he he) but keep in mind I only take the true canon (Manga) as fact. No Anime or Movies (Well next year that would change)

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Multipliers

Frieza/Android saga

SSJ: X 50 Times Base

Cell/Cell games saga

SSJ: X 20 Times Base Post RoSaT
USSJ: X 2 SSJ
Buffed USSJ: X 2 USSJ
MSSJ: X 5 Base
Buffed Cell: X 1.5 PC
Super Buffed Cell: X 2 SPC
SSJ2: X 6 Times MSSJ

Boo saga

SSJ: X 20 Times Base
MSSJ: X 5 Times Base
SSJ2: X 6 Times SSJ
SSJ3: X 7 Times SSJ2

Exception Fusions

Dance: SSJ: 3.5X base
SSJ2: 3X SSJ
SSJ3: 2.5X SSj2
Portara: SSJ: 5x base

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Raditz Arrival

Raditz
~ Initial: 1,200
~ Damaged: 550

Farmer: 5

Piccolo
~ With Weights: 322
~ Without Weights: 408
~ Light of Death: 1,330
~ Second Light of Death: 1,440


Son Goku
~ With Weights: 334
~ Without Weights: 416
~ Kamehameha: 924

Son Gohan
~ Initial: 1
~ Scared: 710
~ Enraged: 1,307


One Year for the Ultimate Battle

Piccolo
~ With Weights: 329

Master Roshi: 139

Kuririn: 206

Tenshinhan: 250

Yamcha: 177

Chaozu: 145

Yajirobe: 125

Korin: 190

Kami: 290

Mr.Popo: 275

King Yemma: 2,000

Kaiosama: 3,500


The Most Powerful Saiyans Arrive

Piccolo
~ Suppressed: 1,220
~ Full Power: 2,500

Son Gohan
~ Initial: 981
~ Mad: 2,000
~ Masenko: 2,800

Kuririn
~ Suppressed: 1,083
~ Full Power: 1,500
~ Big Energy Blast: 1,900

Chaozu
~ Initial: 1,050
~ Suicidal Explosion: 2,100

Tenshinhan
~ Initial: 1,800
~ Injured: 250
~ Kikoho: 2,500

Yamcha
~ Initial: 1,250
~ Kamehameha: 1,400

Saibamen: 1,200

Nappa: 4,200


Son Goku to Save the Day

Nappa
~ Initial: 4,200
~ Full Power: 7,900

Son Goku
~ Suppressed: 5,000
~ Full Power: 8,250
~ Kaio-ken: 16,500
~ Kaio-ken x3: 24,750
~ Kaio-ken x3 Kamehameha: 33,500
~ Kaio-ken x4 Kamehameha: 41,750
~ Injured, Post Kaio-ken X4: 2,500
~ Genkidama: 120,000

Vegeta
~ Suppressed: 16,600
~ Full Power: 18,000
~ Gallick Gun: 33,500
~ Post Kamehameha: 14,000
~ Post Artificial Moon: 9,000
~ Great Ape: 90,000
~ Post Great Ape: 8,000
~ Post Genkidama: 1,800

Son Gohan
~ Post Zenkai: 1,200
~ Post Zenkai Enraged: 7,000
~ Injured: 280
~ Great Ape: 2,800

Kuririn
~ Initial: 1,500
~ Remaining Genkidama: 15,000
~ Injured: 300

Yajirobe: 900


Planet Namek

Son Gohan
~ Post Zenkai: 1,500

Kuririn: 1,500

Freeza’s Soldiers: 500

Cui: 18,000

Moori: 1,400

Old Namekian: 1,500

Freeza’s Elite Soldiers: 1,200-2,400

Namekian Fighters
~ Suppressed: 1,000
~ Full Power: 3,000

Dodoria: 21,000

Zarbon
~ Initial: 22,000
~ Transformed: 27,500

Appule: 2,000

Vegeta
~ Post Zenkai: 24,000
~ Post Second Zenkai: 30,000


The Ginyu Force

Guldo: 5,000
Recoome: 45,000
Burter: 45,000
Jeise: 45,000

Kuririn
~ Initial: 1,500
~ Potencial Unlock Increase: 11,000
~ Continued Potencial Unlock Increase: 23,000

Son Gohan
~ Initial: 1,500
~ Potencial Unlock Increase: 12,000
~ Post Zenkai: 15,000
~ Post Zenkai Continued Potencial Unlock Increase: 28,000

Vegeta
~ Initial: 30,000
~ Final Flash: 40,000
~ Post Zenkai: 75,000
~ Post Zenkai Power Up: 250,000

Son Goku
~ Suppressed: 5,000
~ Battle with Jeise and Burter: 60,000
~ Full Power: 90,000
~ Kaio-ken: 180,000
~ In Ginyu’s body: 1,000

Ginyu:
~ Suppressed: 87,500
~ Full Power: 120,000
~ In Son Goku’s Body: 23,000


Freeza
~ 3rd Suppression: 265,000

Nail
~ Initial: 20,000
~ Full Power: 42,000
~ Post Regeneration: 35,000


Freezas Wrath

Kuririn
~ Continued Potencial Unlock Increase: 150,000

Son Gohan
~ Continued Potencial Unlock Increase: 200,000
~ Enraged: 1,000,000
~ Post Zenkai: 300,000
~ Post Zenkai Enraged: 1,500,000
~ Post Zenkai Enraged Masenko: 1,800,000

Piccolo
~ Post Trainning With Kaiosama With Weights: 175,000
~ Without Weights: 200,000
~ Fused with Nail With Weights: 1,250,000
~ Without Weights: 1,500,000

Vegeta
~ Initial: 250,000
~ Full Power: 500,000
~ Zenkai: 2,500,000
~ Post Zenkai All out Energy Blast: 2,900,000

Freeza
~ 3rd Suppression: 265,000
~ Full Power: 530,000
~ 2nd Suppression: 1,060,000
~ Power up: 1,200,000
~ Full Power: 1,400,000
~ 1st Suppression: 1,900,000
~ True Form Initial: 2,400,000
~ True Form Power Up: 3,200,000


The Legendary Super Saiyan

Bardock: 1,080

Kuririn
~ Initial: 150,000
~ Energy Given: 25,000

Son Gohan
~ Initial: 300,000
~ Energy Given: 25,000

Piccolo
~ Without Weights: 1,400,000
~ Son Gohan and Kuririn's Energy Given: 1,900,000

Freeza
~ True Form: 3,200,000
~ No Hands: 6,400,000
~ 50% of Full Power: 70,000,000
~ 70% of Full Power: 98,000,000
~ Full Power: 140,000,000
~ Weakened and Fatiged: 120,000,000

Son Goku
~ Kenzai: 3,000,000
~ Kaio-ken: 6,000,000
~ Kaio-ken x10: 30,000,000
~ Kaio-ken x20: 60,000,000
~ Kaio-ken x20, Kamehameha: 70,000,000
~ Genkidama: 90,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 150,000,000


The Mysterious Stranger

Chaozu: 40,000

Yamcha: 120,000

Kuririn: 250,000

Tenshinhan: 300,000

Son Gohan: 600,000

Piccolo
~ With Weights: 2,000,000
~ Without Weights: 2,500,000

Vegeta: 3,000,000

Freeza
~ Mecha Suppressed: 80,000,000
~ Full Power Not Shown: 160,000,000

King Cold: 85,000,000

Trunks
~ Suppressed: 5
~ Base: 3,500,000
~ Super Saiyan: 175,000,000

Son Goku
~ Base: 4,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 200,000,000


3 Years Later

Yajirobe: 780

Yamcha: 400,000

Kuririn: 900,000

Tenshinhan: 1,100,000

Son Gohan: 3,500,000

Son Goku
~ Base: 6,500,000
~ Super Saiyan Healthy: 325,000,000
~ Heart Problems: 240,000,000
~ Heart problems Post Kamehameha: 90,000,000
~ In Base and Heart Problems: 2,100,000
~ Near Death and Energy Absorbed: 100,000

#19
~ Initial: 100,000,000
~ Kamehameha Absorbed: 150,000,000
~ Goku’s Energy Absorbed: 152,000,000
~ Vegeta’s Energy Absorbed but Crippled: 292,000,000

Vegeta
~ Base: 6,800,000
~ Super Saiyan: 340,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Energy Absorbed: 200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Big Bang Attack: 400,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Post Big Bang Attack: 100,000,000

#20
~ Initial: 120,000,000
~ Yamcha Energy Absorbed: 120,400,000
~ Vegeta Energy Blast Absorbed: 150,400,000
~ Suppressed Piccolo Energy Absorbed: 154,900,000

Piccolo
~ With Weights and Suppressed: 5,000,000
~ With Weights: 140,000,000
~ Without Weights: 190,000,000

Trunks
~ Base: 6,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 300,000,000

#18: 480,000,000

#17: 500,000,000


Cell The Ultimate Android

Piccolo
~ Fused with kami With Weights: 450,000,000
~ Energy Absorbed: 440,000,000
~ Without Weights: 500,000,000
~ Weakened: 400,000,000
~ Hellzone Grenade: 600,000,000

#17: 500,000,000

Cell
~ Initial: 365,000,000
~ Kamehameha: 450,000,000
~ Piccolo Energy Absorbed: 375,000,000
~ Post Humans Energy Absorbed: 800,000,000
~ 2nd Form: 1,600,000,000

#16
~ Initial: 800,000,000
~ Hell Flash: 900,000,000
~ Damaged: 400,000,000

Tenshinhan
~ Initial: 1,100,000
~ Ultimate Kikoho: 1,100,000,000


Perfection Acquired

Vegeta
~ Post RoSaT Trainning Base: 33,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 1,650,000,000
~ Ascended Super Saiyan: 3,300,000,000
~ Ascended Super Saiyan Final Flash: 7,000,000,000

Trunks
~ Post RoSaT Trainning Base: 32,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 1,600,000,000
~ Ascended Super Saiyan: 3,200,000,000
~ Ascended Super Saiyan Buffed: 6,400,000,000


Cell
~ 2nd form: 1,600,000,000
~ Full Power: 2,200,000,000
~ 3rd Form Suppressed: 2,700,000,000
~ Power up: 5,600,000,000
~ Buffed: 8,400,000,000

Son Gohan
~ During RoSaT Trainning: 15,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 750,000,000
~ Surppressed Mastered Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000

Son Goku
~ During RoSaT Trainning: 18,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 900,000,000
~ Ascended Super Saiyan: 1,800,000,000
~ Ascended Super Saiyan buffed: 3,600,000,000
~ Surppressed Mastered Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000
~ 50% of Full Power: 5,500,000,000

Piccolo
~ Post RoSaT Trainning With Weights: 2,900,000,000


History of Trunks

#17
~ Less Than 50%: 150,000,000
~ Full Power: 380,000,000

#18
~ Less Than 50%: 130,000,000
~ Full Power: 360,000,000

Son Gohan
~ One year Ago Base: 2,300,000
~ Super Saiyan: 115,000,000
~ One Year later Base: 3,200,000
~ Super Saiyan: 160,000,000

Trunks
~ Base: 44,000
~ Super Saiyan: 2,200,000
~ 3 Years Later Base: 3,300,000
~ Super Saiyan: 165,000,000
~ Post Zenkai Base: 3,500,000


Cell Games

Mister Satan: 25

Son Goku
~ Base: 2,200,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan 50% of Full Power: 5,500,000,000
~ Full Power: 11,000,000,000
~ Super Kamehameha: 22,000,000,000
~ Weakened After Battle With Cell: 2,750,000,000

Son Gohan
~ Base: 2,800,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan Full Power: 14,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 84,000,000,000
~ Injured: 42,000,000,000
~ Super Kamehameha: 126,000,000,000
~ Raged Super Kamehameha: 168,000,000,000

Cell
~ Initial: 5,600,000,000
~ Power up: 12,500,000,000
~ Weakened After Battle With Son Goku: 8,000,000,000
~ Post Senzu Bean and Power Up: 16,000,000,000
~ Full Power: 32,000,000,000
~ Full Power Buffed: 64,000,000,000
~ Zenkai: 75,000,000,000
~ Super Kamehameha: 150,000,000,000

Vegeta
~ Base: 325,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 6,500,000,000

Trunks
~ Base: 310,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 6,200,000,000

Piccolo
~ With Weights: 2,900,000,000
~ Without Weights: 3,400,000,000

Tenshinhan: 1,100,000
Kuririn: 900,000
Yamcha: 400,000

Cell juniors: 7,000,000,000


Saving the Future

#17: 380,000,000

#18: 360,000,000

Trunks
~ Base: 310,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 6,200,000,000
~ Base 3 Years Later: 400,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 8,000,000,000

Cell
~ Initial: 400,000,000
~ Full Power: 550,000,000


7 Years Later

Son Gohan
~ Base: 2,200,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan: 11,000,000,000

Videl: 28

Kuririn: 695,000

Piccolo
~ With Weights: 3,450,000,000
~ Without Weights: 3,950,000,000

Son Goten
~ Base: 130,000,000
~ Suppressed Super Saiyan: 1,300,000,000

Trunks
~ Base: 140,000,000
~ Surppressed Super Saiyan: 1,400,000,000

Vegeta
~ Base: 2,500,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan: 12,500,000,000

Son Goku
~ Base: 2,900,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan: 14,500,000,000


The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai

Yamcha: 300,000

Son Goten
~ Base: 140,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 1,400,000,000

Trunks
~ Base: 150,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 1,500,000,000

Mr.Satan: 22

Punta: 12
Kuririn: 700,000

Piccolo
~ With Weights: 3,500,000,000
~ Without Weights: 4,000,000,000

East KaioShin: 3,000,000,000

Videl: 30

Spopovitch: 100

Yamu: 85

Yajirobe: 600

Son Gohan
~ Base: 2,300,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan: 11,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 69,000,000,000

Kibito: 1,500,000,000


The Warlock Babidi

Vegeta
~ Base: 2,600,000,000
~ Majin Mastered Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000
~ Majin Super Saiyan 2: 90,000,000,000

Son Goku
~ Base: 3,000,000,000
~ Suppressed Mastered Super Saiyan: 7,500,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 Burst: 82,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 90,000,000,000

Gohan
~ Base: 2,300,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 11,500,000,000

Pui Pui: 600,000,000

Yakon: 2,000,000,000

Dabura: 12,000,000,000

Mr.Satan: 22

Jewel: 8

Killer: 9

#18
~ Suppressed: 180,000,000
~ Full Power: 505,000,000

Trunks
~ Suppressed Super Saiyan Ki Blast: 1,000,000,000


The Invincible Monster Buu

Gohan
~ Super Saiyan: 11,500,000,000
~ Super Kamehameha: 22,000,000,000
~ Post Zenkai Base: 2,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 12,500,000,000

Vegeta
~ Majin Super Saiyan 2: 90,000,000,000
~ Suicidal Explosion: 180,000,000,000

Son Goku
~ Base: 3,000,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 90,000,000,000
~ Surppressed Super Saiyan 3: 315,000,000,000

Fat Buu
~ Initial: 15,000,000,000
~ Power up: 75,000,000,000
~ Second Power Up: 120,000,000,000
~ Third Power Up Against Goku: 260,000,000,000

Goten
~ Base: 140,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Full Power: 2,800,000,000

Trunks
~ Base: 150,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Full Power: 3,000,000,000

Chaozu: 90,000

Tenshinhan: 1,700,000


The Fusion Dance

Son Goten
~ Post RoSaT Base: 190,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Full Power: 3,800,000,000

Trunks
~ Post RoSaT Base: 200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Full Power: 4,000,000,000

Fat Gotenks: 1,000,000

Anorexic Gotenks: 5,000

Gotenks
~ Base: 100,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 350,000,000,000
~ Post RoSaT Base: 400,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 1,400,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 Not Shown: 4,200,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3: 10,500,000,000,000

Fat Buu
~ Initial: 260,000,000,000
~ Angry to the Point of Slipting: 800,000,000,000

Evil Buu: 600,000,000,000

Good Buu: 200,000,000,000

Super Buu: 9,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan
~ Post Z Sword Trainning Base: 9,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 47,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 285,000,000,000

Elder KaioShin: 500,000


The Ultimate Warrior

Gohan
~ Maxium Potential Unlocked: 14,000,000,000,000

Super Buu
~ Initial: 9,000,000,000,000
~ Gotenks absorbed: 19,500,000,000,000
~ Piccolo absorbed: 9,003,500,000,000
~ Gohan absorbed: 23,000,000,000,000
~ Buffed: 12,000,000,000,000

Kibito Kai: 60,000,000,000

Tenshinhan
~ Initial: 1,700,000
~ Ultimate Kikoho: 1,700,000,000

Vegetto
~ Base: 16,800,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 84,000,000,000,000

Kid Buu: 600,000,000,000


Buu's Defeat

South KaioShin: 6,500,000,000

Grand Supreme KaioShin: 8,000,000,000

Son Goku
~ Base: 3,000,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 90,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3: 630,000,000,000
~ Earth Genkidama: 32,500,000,000,000


Vegeta
~ Base: 2,600,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan: 13,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 78,000,000,000

Good Buu
~ Initial: 150,000,000,000
~ Weakened to the Point of Death: 100,000,000

Kid Buu: 600,000,000,000


The God of Destruction Bills

****coming soon****


Ten Years later

Trunks
~ Base: 400,000,000

Son Goten
~ Base: 390,000,000

Son Gohan
~ Base: 12,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
~ Base: 7,000,000,000

Chaozu: 140,000

Yamcha: 180,000

Kuririn: 450,000

Tenshinhan: 2,500,000

Piccolo
~ With Weights: 4,500,000,000
~ Without Weights: 5,000,000,000

Good Buu: 200,000,000,000

Mister Satan: 18

Videl: 27

Kirano: 50

Pan: 1,500,000

Mokekko: 15

Ubb
~ Initial: 10
~ Enraged:7,800,000,000

Son Goku
~ Base: 8,000,000,000



Author:   SSJ2GREATSAIYAMAN
Date:   Dec 19, 12 at 6:37pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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Their fair enough although i spoted two mistakes Base vegito>ultimate gohan and Ssj2 majin vegeta=<Ssj2 vegeta because vegeta never cared about goku's Ssj2 after seeing his Ssj3 if he was weaker than goku he could have not even tried to fight kid buu=fat buu or even stronger maybe since he knew his majin self lost.



Author:   ZombieVito
Date:   Dec 19, 12 at 6:45pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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I always assumed the Majin power up worked as long as the fighter was under Babidi's control and since Vegeta after dying wasn't (He lost the M and considered a good guy by Porunga) I figured he lost it, I'm curious to see others opinions about this.

I'm also curious as to why Base Vegito > Ultimate Gohan, I don't remember being stated.



Author:   SSJ2GREATSAIYAMAN
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 3:42am (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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Base vegito=>Buuhan>Buutenks>Ultimate gohan.
We don't have to bring Super vegito because he is far far stronger than any of them.



Author:   ZombieVito
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 8:38am (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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Elder Kaioshin said that Gokua souldn't need SSJ against Buutenks so vegito>>gohan was never implied and Vegito>=Buuhan?

Where is it stated? I can't find anything on the manga that suggest base Vegito>> Buuhan.

Are you taking that from the anime?



Author:   SSJ2GREATSAIYAMAN
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 10:39am (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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There was no base vegito in the manga so yeah am talking about the anime.
Also Ssj2 kid gohan>Ssj2 pre-majin vegeta since vegeta said that Ssj2 goku was the first to surpass kid gohan even majin vegeta surpassed gohan.Piccolo was not sure about majin vegeta's power compared to gohans but we know that Ssj2 goku=majin vegeta>Ssj2 kid gohan>Spc>Ssj2 pre-majin vegeta>Ssj2 teen gohan>FP perfect cell.



Author:   XxSkelterXx
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 11:01am (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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Potara Gokan was stated to be strong enough to kill Gotenks-absorbed Boo without having to transform into a Super Saiyan. Later on, when Vegetto is formed, he is stated as being whats strongest...Base Vegetto> Base Gokan>>Gotenks-Boo>> Ultinate Gohan.



Author:   Azariah
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 11:42am (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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The PL list is okay, but I'ld have Goten and Trunks near their fathers PLs at End of Z.
quote XxSkelterXx
Potara Gokan was stated to be strong enough to kill Gotenks-absorbed Boo without having to transform into a Super Saiyan. Later on, when Vegetto is formed, he is stated as being whats strongest...Base Vegetto> Base Gokan>>Gotenks-Boo>> Ultinate Gohan.
Where is it implied that Elder Kai was comparing the two fusions between Gokhan and Vegitto?



Author:   XxSkelterXx
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 1:48pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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What else would he be comparing?? Vegetto and a slice of pizza? Hell, there was no comparison made. Elder Kaioshin flat-out said that Vegetto is whats strongest. That means he is whats strongest.. there is nobody stronger..than him..



Author:   ZombieVito
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 2:33pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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Azariah: But how is that possible if they were stated to slacked off? I actually think I was generous.

Skelter: You are correct, Elder Kaioshin did say Vegeto was the strongest....When he was SSJ.

SSJ2GREATSAIYAMAN: No anime and you do make a good point about Vegeta, I'll read that part again.



Author:   XxSkelterXx
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 4:29pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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No. Ekder Kai never once said that Vegetto was the strongest when was a Super Saiyan. He said Vegetto is whats strongest, period. End off. There is no way around the fact that Vegetto was stated as being the strongest fusion...why people ignore this is beyond me.



Author:   ZombieVito
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 5:34pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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Care to give the exact quote? Hes never seen speaking until after he transforms into SSJ and beating Buuhan.



Author:   Azariah
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 10:29pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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XxSkelterXx Kibito was praising the Potara, and the Elder Kai corrects him telling it was the fusees(if such a word exists) that made the fusion as strong as it was and not the Potara.

ZombieVito its very possible to get the view that Trunks and Goten continued training after Buu was defeated, especially Trunks who was already training in "Peace times" and Vegeta wanted him to surpass Gohan (Cell games).

Not to mention at the End of Z Vegeta says their Kids "act" weak. If they act weak what are they?



Author:   ZombieVito
Date:   Dec 20, 12 at 10:39pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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I just don't see them getting that strong. Both Goku and Vegeta complained that their boys were slacking off. That is a confirmed statement they weren't training at full like Goku and Vegeta.



Author:   Azariah
Date:   Dec 21, 12 at 1:16am (PST)
Subject:   re: DBZ Power Level List
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Yeah but only Goten, was confirmed to be slacking but Trunks i'm not so sure.

IIRC this' how the main things happened. Vegeta visits Goku in the woods, he finds him training with Goten. Goku tells Vegeta him and Goten are entering the Budokai and his reasons why. Trunks arrives, Vegeta tells him he'll also be going to the Budokai, trunks is surprised, then vegeta makes the "act weak" comment.
At the Budokai, Goten is drawn to face Mr. Buu, he's shocked as to why he gets to face Buu in the first round. And Goku tells him Buu will only be a problem because he keeps slacking. So if Goten hadn't been slacking Buu wouldn't have been a problem. To me that tells me Goten was Mr. Buu level in whatever form they agreed to use at the tournament.


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