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Author:   Dragonatrix
Date:   Oct 13, 12 at 10:31am (PST)
Subject:   [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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So, uh, this sure is something. I, uh, I highly recommend not reading if you're of a particularly sensitive nature (or easily triggered or whatever the new cool way to say "super ridiculously squeamish" is). I mean, I'm not the kind to normally say that, but yeah.






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Missouri couple sues doctors for separating baby’s head during grisly botched birth, and trying to cover it up: reports Arteisha Betts and Travis Ammonette claim in lawsuit that their OB-GYN refused to perform a planned C-section and then detached baby's spine while trying to yank him from the birth canal.

A Missouri obstetrician separated a baby's head from his body during delivery and then shoved the newborn back into the mother and performed an emergency C-section to cover up the ghastly blunder, a couple claims in a lawsuit.

Arteisha Betts and Travis Ammonette, of Florissant, filed a 10-count complaint in St. Louis County Circuit Court last month claiming doctors wrongly pushed them to have a vaginal delivery, decapitated their son and then tried to cover it up, according to local Patch and Courthouse News Service.

The details of the couple's claim are horrifying.
(Source)

Emphasis, mine.

Okay, seriously, holy shit how does something like that happen and who tries to cover it up by making it even worse? I guess it's obvious he panicked and all but could've thought that through a bit better. Apparently it's relatively easy for at least the accidental decapitation to happen during some premature birth procedures but I'm far from anywhere near knowledgeable about anything medical so don't take that as gospel. Still, the mind boggles.

More importantly, this is only the one side to things so it's biased in that regard and leads to people jumping to conclusions without knowing the full events. Still, I can't imagine there's much to be said for the other half that helps excuse any of this.



Author:   harbin
Date:   Oct 13, 12 at 11:06am (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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Not sure how a baby could get decapitated through birth, unless the midwife pulled too hard. Even then it's not what I imaged would be a hard thing to do (deliver a child). Most of the work from what I'm guessing is done by the woman through pushing and the midwife is mainly there to help guide the baby out and catch it.

Whilst a terrible thing, I think what would've incensed the couple more is the fact that he tried to cover it up, not that it would help because eventually it'd just be found during surgery to delivery by c-section.



Author:   Lesley Pro_04
Date:   Oct 13, 12 at 11:48pm (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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JC, that is the most gruesome thing that I've heard of in a long time! Pardon me...



Side note: Had to use harbin91's oversized puke avatar because a regular throw-up smiley wasn't going to suffice.

That isn't just malpractice--that should also be a negligent homicide.

Wonder what Misty would think of something like this?



Author:   hiigaran
Date:   Oct 14, 12 at 4:34pm (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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quote harbin91
Not sure how a baby could get decapitated through birth, unless the midwife pulled too hard. Even then it's not what I imaged would be a hard thing to do (deliver a child). Most of the work from what I'm guessing is done by the woman through pushing and the midwife is mainly there to help guide the baby out and catch it.
the baby was born quite premature, so it would have been excessively fragile. perhaps the midwife didnt take that into account. even then, if it can decapitate a baby like that, a normal baby probably would have suffered permanent injuries. and no, to my understanding, they shouldnt be pulling in the first place.

i really have no comment on this article.



Author:   MickeyBlueEyes
Date:   Oct 14, 12 at 6:32pm (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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This is really terrible. It's hard to comment on stories like this, but damn. Is it normal to tug on a baby's head during delivery? Kids are usually never taught to pull tails or pick things up by their ears or head because they might pop off.


Totally horrifying. Poor parents - that's trauma right there.




Jesus.



Author:   Misty
Date:   Oct 14, 12 at 9:20pm (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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Er, why on earth were they pulling at the baby from the birth canal...? I don't know much about premature births, but a regular birth you're basically playing catcher, certainly not pulling on anything. My understanding that c-section is usually done if they get stuck, maneuvering procedures are usually pretty gentle though I guess a premature baby would be more fragile.

Either way it's pretty grossly malpractice, especially given that they put the poor woman through a completely unnecessary c-section after they *bleep*ed it up. They started it before anesthesia started working, apparently. Personally I avoid the birth-related areas of work like the plague so I know very little about delivery, but there's serious malpractice in the surgery (and possibly the initial refusal to do surgery, certainly the refusal to let them go to another hospital).



Author:   KR_1250
Date:   Oct 15, 12 at 12:34am (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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Christ all bloody mighty.

Thats like something from a 'SAW' movie or something. I mean its bad enough the medical staff internally decapitated a baby. But on realising their mistake they "shoved" it back in and tried to do a C-section before the aenesthetic had set in on the mother.

Talk about a total f**k up of the highest degree.

And the childs neck break must have been a compound fracture because blood came from the childs neck. This was apparently witnessed by the mother.

How the hell can anyone arse something up so bad?



Author:   Dragoon
Date:   Oct 17, 12 at 1:19am (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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quote Misty
Er, why on earth were they pulling at the baby from the birth canal...? I don't know much about premature births, but a regular birth you're basically playing catcher, certainly not pulling on anything.
I was pulled from the womb with foreceps, apparently I had dents in the side of my head for weeks, haha. It does happen, but probably not all that often. (I also had my umbelical cord wrapped round my neck twice. Proving I was suicidal even before talking to Whelan ). Seriously though, it does happen occasionally.

As for the story at hand, just what the hell where the doctors thinking? If they baby becomes stuck to the point where you literally have to yank it out then you stop and advise an emergency C-Section. It's bad enough the Doctors and Midwives were clearly unable to deal with a birth but then to have the *bleep*ing audacity to cover it up? Bloody hell, this is easily one of the mose gruesome things I've read in recent years.



Author:   Ditnopota
Date:   Oct 17, 12 at 1:34am (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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Holy *bleep*ing hell.

This... I've never heard of something like this. It's horrid. I hope whomever did this gets sued out the ass and never delivers another baby again.



Author:   Short Circuit
Date:   Oct 18, 12 at 5:39am (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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Horrifying. Bloody horrifying.

How exactly would the C-section cover up what the person did? It sounds like he panicked and did the first thing that came to mind.

I hope the parents win the lawsuit. The guy obviously isn't fit to be a doctor. Why the hell was he pulling? Did he have somewhere to be?



Author:   Resilience
Date:   Oct 19, 12 at 3:22pm (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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This stuff happens. Oh well, really. The woman took a chance and obviously made the wrong choice.



Author:   hiigaran
Date:   Oct 19, 12 at 3:24pm (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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quote Resilience
This stuff happens. Oh well, really. The woman took a chance and obviously made the wrong choice.
ಠ_ಠ



Author:   Resilience
Date:   Oct 19, 12 at 3:27pm (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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Well, it's not like anything can be done to change it. Decapitations are far more common than one might think. Remember, babies are cartilage. It's weaker. If the woman couldn't push hard enough, then the baby would have to be 'pulled'. Obviously the woman stopped pushing halfway through.



Author:   hiigaran
Date:   Oct 19, 12 at 3:36pm (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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if that was the case, i dont think it was the womans choice to stop pushing. its not like she thought to herself, 'hey, just for kicks, ill stop halfway and leave my baby in my vagina while i enjoy the pain some more'



Author:   Short Circuit
Date:   Oct 21, 12 at 3:15am (PST)
Subject:   re: [Not Mind Safe] I've heard of malpractice, but this...
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quote Resilience
Well, it's not like anything can be done to change it. Decapitations are far more common than one might think. Remember, babies are cartilage. It's weaker. If the woman couldn't push hard enough, then the baby would have to be 'pulled'. Obviously the woman stopped pushing halfway through.
My nose is made cartilage too. That doesn't just come off if I tug at it. I find it hard to believe that a baby's head can just pop off like that. The doctor, in my mind, must have been pulling pretty damn hard.

Don't labor contractions happen automatically? Is it possible to completely stop pushing? This still sounds like malpractice to me.


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