Author: IUSEthePM-9
Date: May 04, 12 at 1:45am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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quote KR_1250I think you perhaps left out the most of important thing that makes Assault pointstreaks significantly worse in MW3, which is the spawn protection. Both the red box not showing up and the actual explosive resistance off spawn are the dumbest things. A guy can pop two stingers into anything you have up before you have a clue where they're shooting from...I actually agree with you here PM-9.
Air support in MW2 had a great advantage over the MW3 stuff:
1: The streaks themselves were much more deadly shot for shot.
2: the maps made it much easier to get kills with gunners and AC-130's
3: Actually locating enemies is easier, view is clearer and red boxes are more apparent.
4: The streaks seemed to make much better use of flares and seemed to take more damage. Shooting shit down in MW3 is too easy, not worthy of a streak point IMO. Its good for no hoper noobs i suppose.
I mean i have had 11 kills in MW2, brought in an AC-130 on trailer park and ended the streak with like 30 kills dodging loads of missiles or killing people way before they get a lock on.
The community has developed this idea though, that any streak should have immediate and piss easy countermeasures. Why ? I consider the best countermeassure as killing the guy and ending any streaks. Am i the only guy who tries to keep track of enemy streaks ? I mean if i see XxXHead-Scope-Shot-SnipezXxX has a chopper out, i make it my mission to kill that person as quickly as i can, i dont go crying to mommy stinger or daddy sam site to save me or sit on my arse hoping someone else kills them.
I miss the days of teamwork. In COD4 and to an extent MW2 an incoherent team who arnt woriking together have no chance against a chopper(or AC-130). A clan working closely could take them out in seconds if everyone fires a clip or an RPG or two. Now one noob can wrack up points for sitting in a corner pointing and clicking a button. Everyone calls the MP7 and ACR EZ mode weapons, which they may well be. But the stinger, SAM sites and Javelin are way more easy, they take no skill or effort.
Not proposing we remove them, but streak users should have some control over countermeasures. I mean I work my ass off for an AC-130 and it gets hit with an automatic SAM as soon as it appears, then Mr 2 kills for 10 deaths presses three buttons and my hard work is all for nothing. I like teh BF3 method where vehicles users have actives flares and ECM systems activated by the player. It means the enemy must have at least two people on anti-air duty. One noob cant do it alone.
I know many will disagree and there are positive and negative aspects on both sides of the argument.
Otherwise i disagree though, I think people should be rewarded for making the effort to change classes and shoot stuff down. I think the person that makes the effort definitely deserves more credit than the MP7 Assassin jerk that forgot Blind Eye on their class. I just think that if there was no spawn protection it would be a lot fairer. They took it out because of the chopper and AC130 dominance that ended in Nukes in MW2, but where's the nuke in this game. Honestly there is no need for spawn protection in this game, MW2 there needs to be a bit more potentially.
I'm also not sure about the whole 'if we use teamwork we can kill the guy on their streak' bit either. Sure playing in a clan you call out your deaths to make it easier for teammates and less killstreaks are called in in the long run, but how do you know where so called 'XxXHead-Scope-Shot-SnipezXxX' is exactly, unless he killed you before, and if he's on a streak in COD he's probably camping 80% of the time. I agree you should concentrate on killing him, but without a full team it's pretty hard when he's set up defensively well.
Author: KR_1250
Date: May 04, 12 at 2:37am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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quote IUSEthePM-9I hadnt actually thought of that but great point, i absolutely agree. Obviously spawn protection has its benifits. Perhaps not allowing players to use a stinger for 2 or 3 seconds after spawning would fix that balance ? What do you think ? Perhaps making a SAM site a higher support streak would help aswell, or making it an active streak where the player has to open a new HUD and manually lock on.I think you perhaps left out the most of important thing that makes Assault pointstreaks significantly worse in MW3, which is the spawn protection. Both the red box not showing up and the actual explosive resistance off spawn are the dumbest things. A guy can pop two stingers into anything you have up before you have a clue where they're shooting from...
quoteFirst of all i actually agree that a player should be rewarded for shooting down enemy support in principal, but what im saying is that it is so thoughtless and easy in its current form that it is not desering of a point. Perhaps making the tracking and lock on mechanism a more involving process, or giving streak users the ability to actively deploy flares and counter measures would justify this streak point reward. Its just too easy in comparison to how difficult it is to achieve streaks. Press Y, Press LT, Press RT. No skill. And with blindeye the whole process is almost a non-event. Make it a bit more difficult to take them down or give teh streak user a chance to defend and im all for it.Otherwise i disagree though, I think people should be rewarded for making the effort to change classes and shoot stuff down. I think the person that makes the effort definitely deserves more credit than the MP7 Assassin jerk that forgot Blind Eye on their class. I just think that if there was no spawn protection it would be a lot fairer. They took it out because of the chopper and AC130 dominance that ended in Nukes in MW2, but where's the nuke in this game. Honestly there is no need for spawn protection in this game, MW2 there needs to be a bit more potentially.
quoteMaybe i should clarify. Im not saying we should remove infantry or point streak anti-air ability in favour of killing the relevant enemy, thats just the best plan if possible, and your right it isnt always do-able. I was jyust trying to highlight how these EASY PEASY anti-air weapons sort of try to supercede this.I'm also not sure about the whole 'if we use teamwork we can kill the guy on their streak' bit either. Sure playing in a clan you call out your deaths to make it easier for teammates and less killstreaks are called in in the long run, but how do you know where so called 'XxXHead-Scope-Shot-SnipezXxX' is exactly, unless he killed you before, and if he's on a streak in COD he's probably camping 80% of the time. I agree you should concentrate on killing him, but without a full team it's pretty hard when he's set up defensively well.
It lets players think "Ah, if they get a chopper i'll just shoot it down" instead of thinking "I'm going to burst my balls and makesure I get the chopper, not them".
I'd like players to try as hard as they can to stop enemies achieveing choppers in the knowlegde that if they do get one it will require a bit more than just pressing 3 buttons or leaving it up to an easily achievable automatic system. I'd like players to fear killstreaks again, not just see them as a bit of a nuiscance or an excuse to score some easy points. I mean the 5 chopper sweep is a great example of what im talking about. Rather than being a devestating and fear inducing monster as it comes across, enemies actually LOVE it as it gives them 3 undeserved and piss easy points. Infact the only difficulty or concern enemies have is who's going to hit the middle one first. I dont think thats right.
Author: NINJAMAN101
Date: May 04, 12 at 2:39am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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can we come to an understand ing they are boof fantastic games in there own way to different people
Author: KR_1250
Date: May 04, 12 at 2:54am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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quote NINJAMAN101Very true, i absolutely agree with that 100%.can we come to an understand ing they are boof fantastic games in there own way to different people
Author: NINJAMAN101
Date: May 04, 12 at 2:57am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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finally we come to an under standing oh if u wanna read the story of a laughing dragon go to skyrim froum then the thread should there be more skyrim races and its the newest messege i kindda went spaz12 yee so if u wanna read go ahead its werid but kindda funny goes for everyone
Author: Matt 123456789
Date: May 04, 12 at 3:36am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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They both suck, everything thats wrong with one game the other has right, it's infuriating
Author: KR_1250
Date: May 04, 12 at 3:45am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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LOL, Classic Matt1234567 right there.
I could tell your posts without seeing your user name.
As you could probably tell mine with my awesome spelling and grammar.
Author: HadesTheWarGod
Date: May 04, 12 at 8:15am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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quote IUSEthePM-9umm it's called "sarcasm" you should learn the wordquote HadesTheWarGodHaha I know that there's the Stinger, I have like 1000 MW3 kills with it, and only about 500 on MW2, but the thing is in Domination, you can get epically spawn raped on so many maps, they don't need to see you to wreck you... You don't even know what it's called, why are you lecturing me about it though?quote IUSEthePM-9you see that's why noobs like you get nuked so easily.......there's this one rocket launcher that only works on aircrafts, and I think it is called a stinger maybe???KR_1250 How often did you play Domination/Ground War. It actually comes to the point where you're surprised when there isn't a nuke, you see the AC130/Chopper Gunner up and just submit and go get some food, it happens sooner or later
Author: HadesTheWarGod
Date: May 04, 12 at 8:18am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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quote KR_1250so you're saying you shouldn't even attempt to destroy an aircraft?quote IUSEthePM-9I actually agree with you here PM-9.quote HadesTheWarGodHaha I know that there's the Stinger, I have like 1000 MW3 kills with it, and only about 500 on MW2, but the thing is in Domination, you can get epically spawn raped on so many maps, they don't need to see you to wreck you... You don't even know what it's called, why are you lecturing me about it though?quote IUSEthePM-9you see that's why noobs like you get nuked so easily.......there's this one rocket launcher that only works on aircrafts, and I think it is called a stinger maybe???KR_1250 How often did you play Domination/Ground War. It actually comes to the point where you're surprised when there isn't a nuke, you see the AC130/Chopper Gunner up and just submit and go get some food, it happens sooner or later
Air support in MW2 had a great advantage over the MW3 stuff:
1: The streaks themselves were much more deadly shot for shot.
2: the maps made it much easier to get kills with gunners and AC-130's
3: Actually locating enemies is easier, view is clearer and red boxes are more apparent.
4: The streaks seemed to make much better use of flares and seemed to take more damage. Shooting shit down in MW3 is too easy, not worthy of a streak point IMO. Its good for no hoper noobs i suppose.
I mean i have had 11 kills in MW2, brought in an AC-130 on trailer park and ended the streak with like 30 kills dodging loads of missiles or killing people way before they get a lock on.
The community has developed this idea though, that any streak should have immediate and piss easy countermeasures. Why ? I consider the best countermeassure as killing the guy and ending any streaks. Am i the only guy who tries to keep track of enemy streaks ? I mean if i see XxXHead-Scope-Shot-SnipezXxX has a chopper out, i make it my mission to kill that person as quickly as i can, i dont go crying to mommy stinger or daddy sam site to save me or sit on my arse hoping someone else kills them.
I miss the days of teamwork. In COD4 and to an extent MW2 an incoherent team who arnt woriking together have no chance against a chopper(or AC-130). A clan working closely could take them out in seconds if everyone fires a clip or an RPG or two. Now one noob can wrack up points for sitting in a corner pointing and clicking a button. Everyone calls the MP7 and ACR EZ mode weapons, which they may well be. But the stinger, SAM sites and Javelin are way more easy, they take no skill or effort.
Not proposing we remove them, but streak users should have some control over countermeasures. I mean I work my ass off for an AC-130 and it gets hit with an automatic SAM as soon as it appears, then Mr 2 kills for 10 deaths presses three buttons and my hard work is all for nothing. I like teh BF3 method where vehicles users have actives flares and ECM systems activated by the player. It means the enemy must have at least two people on anti-air duty. One noob cant do it alone.
I know many will disagree and there are positive and negative aspects on both sides of the argument.
Author: LILJOHN2014
Date: May 04, 12 at 8:50am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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i dont think so.
Author: Zero
Date: May 04, 12 at 8:59am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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I can't stand MW2, but I won't completely dismiss it and say MW3 is better because MW2 is in a sense revolutionary.
...They're about as bad as each other.
Author: IUSEthePM-9
Date: May 04, 12 at 5:29pm (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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quote HadesTheWarGodOmg, you're seriously not listening to anything either of us are saying, but you know what, if people make you look like an idiot you'll just say 'i was using sarcasm trololol'. He's saying he doesn't like how easily pointstreaks are shot down easily in MW3 and then goes onto say that instead of waiting for the enemy to get a poinstreak going he will do the proactive thing and find them before they get the streak. But don't worry mate, everything you said was sarcasm wooooso you're saying you shouldn't even attempt to destroy an aircraft?
Author: Yogurt
Date: May 05, 12 at 8:30am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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Tough one, that is, now. Both have huge flaws... But both can be quite a lot of fun when the BS is gone...
Author: PEStar
Date: May 05, 12 at 8:41am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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quote Matt 123456789Agree on this, except I loved, and still do love, MW2. I mean my combined days played on Infinity Ward games before MW3 was 54 days. By the time I got rid of MW3 it was 55. Now it's something like 57, I've been playing MW2 that much.They both suck, everything thats wrong with one game the other has right, it's infuriating
Still only got about 10 days on Treyarch games though
Author: HadesTheWarGod
Date: May 06, 12 at 12:29am (PST)
Subject: re: is modern warfare2 better than modernwarfare 3
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quote IUSEthePM-9ohhh yeah I was gonna say sarcasm dumb *bleep*s like you are the reason why this game is ruined....."oh he's just gonna say (whatever whatever) and the say OH it was just sarcasm"quote HadesTheWarGodOmg, you're seriously not listening to anything either of us are saying, but you know what, if people make you look like an idiot you'll just say 'i was using sarcasm trololol'. He's saying he doesn't like how easily pointstreaks are shot down easily in MW3 and then goes onto say that instead of waiting for the enemy to get a poinstreak going he will do the proactive thing and find them before they get the streak. But don't worry mate, everything you said was sarcasm wooooso you're saying you shouldn't even attempt to destroy an aircraft?