Author: Roa
Date: May 21, 08 8:32pm (PT)
Subject: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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What's with this game? It's beautiful, fun, compelling and fresh...
But, what the hell happened to a sense of balance as far as online gameplay is concerned? The weapon balance, especially!
Even in non-hardcore mode, I begin to ask myself "What the *bleep*??" Even in the normal games it's so easy to out-snipe a sniper with an mp5, out damage an assault rifle with a p90- AND ALL WITHOUT EVEN TRYING TO AIM. The game in any mode- FFA, TDM, Sabotage, Elimination, ect... is so much easier with an smg, or even a damn pump-action than an m4, g3, m14, almost ANY of the sniper rifles, and anything in between. All this, save the AK- which has bullshit damage and great accuracy. If you want to talk about HC? Hahahahhahahaha! Obviously anything that shoots fast without having to aim... in other words an SMG. You get full speed, crazy hip accuracy, and you can even put an ACOG on for sniping.
On ANY type of game I look at the p90 in a funny way: It sounds unlike a gun, but a machine- with a high rate of fire an ammunition in each clip. Watching a player spray that into a crowd is like watching a meat grinder grind meat. Now when I see some haphazard FPS player mindlessly vomiting bullets in other's faces with that I feel sick.
Yet, every day I go on with a smiling face, and actually have fun for maybe an hour... but in the end I wind up logging off with a bad taste in my mouth, and the urge to play an actual fps. Am I the only one who sees this?
Author: Ishy
Date: May 26, 08 6:51pm (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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Completely see what you mean, and I agree it's rather fustrating. Especially since I played CSS for a long time before COD4, where on CSS you need to be able aim or you won't survive. I find COD4 is just easier to aim, regardless of your gun. I recently started playing, and found supplying covering fire briefly, before moving forward, with an LMG is a lot of fun and works well. You can splatter your fire a little and so don't need the big accuracy. Even then, you only get inaccurate once you fire a few rounds.
Author: Clancyman
Date: May 29, 08 8:44pm (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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Rofl.
CSS, Aim...
your a funny guy.
anyways.
killing a guy with a p90 is simple, way to many people QQ about it imo.
Sniper rifles are amazing.
Assault Is amazing.
you seem to just have some aiming issues if you think they suck.
Author: Ishy
Date: May 30, 08 11:13am (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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What are you implying?
Author: Sort
Date: May 30, 08 1:28pm (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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Agree 100% with the original post. I don't play hardcore at all for those reasons alone.
Author: Electioneer
Date: May 30, 08 7:44pm (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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You can make certain guns good if you make then that way. It is tough to snipe but you can't expect to pick up a game and be a master at everything. Lots of people whine about your problem
This message was edited by Electioneer on May 30 2008.
Author: Roa
Date: Jun 03, 08 8:17pm (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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quote ClancymanKilling people with almost any SMG is unbelievably easy. There's no doubt about it. Most of the time lately I do play with a bolt-action sniper rifle- it's the one that's not the R700 (can't remember the name).Rofl.
CSS, Aim...
your a funny guy.
anyways.
killing a guy with a p90 is simple, way to many people QQ about it imo.
Sniper rifles are amazing.
Assault Is amazing.
you seem to just have some aiming issues if you think they suck.
Why do I use that? Because it's fun. I feel like I accomplish something when I get most of my kills. I felt like I actually EARNED those frags.
I'll admit, I have a bad temper. That's why every time I play I get so pissed off at the players that bounce around at top speed, dumping tons of bullets in various directions, and effortlessly getting kills. As I stated before- I tested this. It was sick.
It was boring.
Yes, the assault rifles are amazing. Yes, the sniper rifles are amazing- I like how I have to hold my breath, it makes it feel more realistic. Even the pump-action shotgun isn't TOO bad...
But it comes down to the weapons that are ALL OF THE ABOVE bundled in one little package. The only thing that the MP5/P90 is missing is a little grenade launcher on the bottom so they can swat flies.
What's funny about CS/CSS? Those two games are so much more accuracy-oriented than CoD4 that it makes it look like Duke Nukem 3D. I find it mildly amusing that you didn't elaborate. But, then again I'm surprised I didn't get more replies like yours. On an FPS thread, I thought I would get more players (I'm struggling to not say "kids") throwing around their e-dicks at the mention of Counter Strike.
Edit: And yes, I'm sure lots of people whine about my problem... shouldn't that say something there? These complaints are NOT normal in FPS games. (Please, please please! bring up the AWP from CS. Let's argue about one whole gun out of the entire game.)
Author: Stoner1313
Date: Jun 05, 08 5:25am (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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quote Roayou must not be playing the same fps games as everyone elseThese complaints are NOT normal in FPS games.
for every fps that has multiple weapon types, people will complain about one gun or another, saying it has an unfair advantage.
the only to smgs that get warranted complaints in cod4 are the mp5 and the p90 (personally, i think the mp5 is legitimate while the bullet pissing p90 could be operated effectivly by a parakeet with down syndrome) everything else is either too weak (mini-uzi) or too inaccurate (mini ak)
halo1 - pistol
halo2 - n00b combo
halo3 - bruteshot
cod2 - trenchgun and ppsh
and more i dont have the time or effort to drag up but feel free to add an arguement about the "hardcore fps" with css and such, i gave them a try, and the just honestly werent that fun.
face facts, its impossible to please everyone, eventually the decision has to fall somewhere in between a dedication to balance or realism(ish). By removing or weakening the smgs, the game then favors towards slow moving and assault rifles, meaning now there needs to be a bigger focus on tactics, meaning the game becomes boring as hell. When half the players in the server have smgs, the game is fast-paced, frantic, and dare i say, a game?
remember, that for every good player who spams with an smg for easy kills there are 3-4 assclowns who run around with no hope of getting a kill with anything other than spray/pray, so as long as you have a shred of skill with a sniper or assault rifle, you will come out on top.
realize that when you use stopping power, one 3 round burst from the m16 will drop anyone except juggurnaut, who needs 1.5 bursts, or 5 shots (i think). So if you play smart most smg runners can be downed before they can get off a shot. And with hardcore, the playing field is leveled even more.
If you dont want to be killed by smg spammers anymore, use some strategy and you will get the kill.
Author: Roa
Date: Jun 05, 08 8:02pm (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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Mostly, I agree with you. What I meant to say, though, is that most FPS games aren't unbalanced to this point...
Or that's just my opinion. Also, I think the mini-ak is quite strong. It's like a 120% chance to gain top rank with that gun in pub games- but then again those are just PUB GAMES.
Perhaps this game is just TOO realistic to the point that it is how it is in real life; in most cases a 9mm weapon is enough to kill somebody quickly.
Like I said earlier, I mostly agree with you. You'll have a weapon here or there in those games that are generally easier than most, if not all others. It's just that in CoD4 it's to be point of TOTAL DOMINATION. And, yes, there are tactics that counter this. My point merely is is that those specific weapons require such little effort... and just being able to counter it with strong strategy and ability isn't what I'd call a "fix".
And, I'm sorry but in HC Most Assault Rifles lose their edge- and sniper rifles all together are a distant memory. With the increased bullet damage, an mp5 can drop you with one bullet- non head shot. They have nearly 100% accuracy with the first shot, and decent with a second and maybe even a third. That's more than enough to drop anything. With that, you get top speed, great hip shot rating, and awesome firing speed. In HC, you're holding the Reaper's scythe in your hand...
Author: mkds
Date: Jun 22, 08 5:34pm (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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Yeah, I start the game knowing I'm gonna have a lot of fun, then I leave not wanting to play it again until the next day forgetting how much I suck at it and how many times I died.
Author: Roa
Date: Jul 20, 08 10:09am (PT)
Subject: re: Throwing Balance out of the Window...
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Protip: If you're not to good at fps games, use the p90/mp5 loadout with steady aim and improve bullet damage.
You'll feel a lot better in 30 minutes
