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Author:   Star of Spurs
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 8:51am (PST)
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quote Bollo
quote Star of Spurs
If they spend £40m on Bale (which is what we'd demand) and play him as a left back they're insane.
Really? Could imagine him as a Dani Alves style player tbh, he enjoys running from deep where he'd only get to do that from LB.
If they could get him to stick to the left, it might work. But as it seems to have been beaten into him that he's a CAM (I want to find the bastard responsible for that atrocity) the amount he comes inside would really lose their balance, as it's done with us.



Author:   Jmste
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 8:51am (PST)
Subject:   re: Liga BBVA
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bale simply isnt good enough for barca/madrid

although saying that i reckon he could perform for barca like alves does, certainly looks like they want some kind of wing back to play the 3 at the back formation they have been trying this season, abidal will most likely move to centre back too

better off at barca than madrid as he would suit them more but i think at the moment he isnt good enough for either teams

also i could see barca paying what we will ask for which would be around £40m, he will leave in the summer thats a fact



Author:   ArwelT
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 8:52am (PST)
Subject:   re: Liga BBVA
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Oh there's no doubt about the money paid for him being terrible etc. but people speak about his time at Barca as if he scored hardly any goals and I'm sure I can remember him being blamed for a lot if things didn't go Barca's way (which wasn't a lot).
That last part may just be me making up shit though, it's just something I seem to think I can remember



Author:   Av3ry
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 8:54am (PST)
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Nice goal.



Author:   DjedwardSmith
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 8:55am (PST)
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His face just didn't fit, tbh. That and he clearly had a lovers tiff.





Author:   Junior Messi
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 9:10am (PST)
Subject:   re: Liga BBVA
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I'm bored so I'm going to Wiki.


So 140m euros to turn Barcelona into arguably the 'greatest side ever'. Not bad. Alot of money of course, but it's reaped the rewards for sure. yeah, i'm really bored today lol.

Bale to Barca would be silly anyways. They wouldn't get away with playing two such attacking fullbacks. Unless they took a Mourinho approach and played Bale against most sides then swapped him for Abidal against those with more powerful attackers, Contreao/Marcelo style.



Author:   DjedwardSmith
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 9:12am (PST)
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But a £281 million spend (solely expenditure) makes it look a lot less impressive.



Author:   Sweeney
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 9:28am (PST)
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What's Real Madrids figures like? £130 million on Ronaldo and Kaka alone.



Author:   DjedwardSmith
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 9:34am (PST)
Subject:   re: Liga BBVA
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Not got time to do net, but 48 out this year, 77, 226 (IN ONE YEAR), 72.

So 423 million over the last two years.

Actually, net is -273.

Lol.

So Madrid averaging over £100 million expenditure over the last four years, Barcelona at least £60 million, no *bleep*ing wonder they're the top two teams in Europe by a country mile.



Author:   Jmste
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 9:43am (PST)
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also explains why they are deep in debt

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Spanish football may be enjoying one of its most successful eras, powered by Barcelona and Real Madrid's charge through the Champions League, but the glittering success on the pitch hides a darker story.

As Real and Barca are through to the elite Champions League semi-finals, and three Spanish clubs are into the Europa League last four, a survey of the accounts of the country's top clubs reveals a tale of crippling debts and tax arrears.

Real Madrid lead Barcelona by four points at the top of La Liga, but the two global superstars also rival each other in the depth of their debts -- Real have accumulated 589 million euros ($772 million) to Barcelona's 578 million euros.

The archrivals' debts eclipse their revenues, which for 2010-2011 amounted to 479 million euros for Real Madrid and 450 million euros for Barcelona.

Europa League semi-finals Valencia and Atletico Madrid are also both awash with red ink, to the tune of 382 and 514 million euros respectively.

But the latest figure to hit the headlines in Spain is the 752 million euros that Spain's elite clubs owe to the tax man at a time when more than five million are unemployed and the government is asking citizens for more sacrifices.

The sports ministry announced a plan to ensure that football pays for its own debts. But for the moment it is unclear how they will do so.

Six of the 20 Liga clubs -- Rayo Vallecano, Racing Santander, Real Betis, Zaragoza, Granada and Mallorca -- are currently in bankruptcy proceedings, as are another six second-division teams.

"That figure alone shows that Spanish football is not well managed financially," said Barcelona University Professor of Economics Jose Maria Gay de Liebana, who specialises in football.

The analyst compared Spanish football's debts, which he estimated at 3.5 billion euros in total, to the frenzy of the country's property market bubble, which imploded in 2008.

"Football is a mirror of the general economy in Spain. For years we have been spending beyond our means, getting deeper and deeper into debt," he explained.

"For football it's the same: for years clubs have made colossal and inefficient investments. And as they did not have their own funds to finance these expenses, they went massively into debt."

A good example of the race to invest, no matter the cost, is Valencia's "New Mestalla" stadium.

In 2007, in the midst of the property boom, Valencia decided to buy itself a new 70,000-seat stadium -- even though it has only 39,000 members.

The 300-million-euro construction cost was supposed to be financed by the sale of the land from its old stadium for some 400 million euros.

Two years later, engulfed by the property market crisis, construction stopped when the club realized it could not find buyers for the old stadium property.

One other factor may have contributed to the accumulation of debts -- a lack of financial control by Spanish institutions.

Some blame a lax attitude by the Spanish football league, others the league's inability to impose tough sporting sanctions.

Until very recently the Spanish professional football league did not have the power to relegate a club in bankruptcy.

Some teams even used the bankruptcy law to their advantage, enjoying legal protection from their creditors while continuing to play football at the highest level.

"I think the new law that came into force in January 2012, which now authorizes the authorities to relegate a club in bankruptcy, will change things a lot," said sports lawyer Juan de Dios Crespo.

It is unclear, however, if the authorities would risk the public backlash of taking on a football club.

In the 1990s when the footballing authorities threatened to relegate Celta Vigo and Sevilla because of problems with their registration paperwork, they were forced to backpedal under huge pressure from fans.




Author:   c_lynch
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 9:44am (PST)
Subject:   re: Liga BBVA
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What the spent on Chygrynsky, cacares and keirrison

Edit:/ but didn't the main players who have made them "the greatest team ever" (they aren't btw) like messi xavi iniesta piqué puyol valdes all brought through by barca themselves?



Author:   Sweeney
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 9:58am (PST)
Subject:   re: Liga BBVA
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quote DjedwardSmith
Not got time to do net, but 48 out this year, 77, 226 (IN ONE YEAR), 72.

So 423 million over the last two years.

Actually, net is -273.

Lol.

So Madrid averaging over £100 million expenditure over the last four years, Barcelona at least £60 million, no *bleep*ing wonder they're the top two teams in Europe by a country mile.
lol, too true



Author:   lazio
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 10:01am (PST)
Subject:   re: Liga BBVA
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quote Star of Spurs
If they spend £40m on Bale (which is what we'd demand) and play him as a left back they're insane.
quote Guardian.co.uk
"Take Gareth Bale, a player I love," he explains. "He's a full-back in the Brazilian mould, he has a similar idea. In Europe [Spurs] play him as a winger, but in my team he'd always be a full-back. People get scared and play attacking full-backs as wingers. They think they will attack more, but often they attack less and less well. It happened with Roberto Carlos: as a winger, he was less effective, he needs to start his run sooner. Bale is more skilful and good as a winger, but at Barcelona he would be a full-back."
Pretty good interview actually and I love the pic of Alves at his desk, would love to see that office properly.



Author:   Junior Messi
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 10:02am (PST)
Subject:   re: Liga BBVA
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quote c_lynch
What the spent on Chygrynsky, cacares and keirrison

Edit:/ but didn't the main players who have made them "the greatest team ever" (they aren't btw) like messi xavi iniesta piqué puyol valdes all brought through by barca themselves?
All of whom bar Pique were at the club prior to Guardiola coming in and didn't win the league for 2 years. Unless I've misunderstood something, the initial discussion was about Guardiola's management skills. The financial side was brought into it later lol.

Barca agreed a 200m sponsor deal with Qatar foundation last season I believe. Probably to help their debt.

Anyone got figures for United, City and to an extent Chelsea over the same period of time? 08-present.

edit - Alves' shirt collection.



Author:   The Shape
Date:   Apr 23, 12 at 10:05am (PST)
Subject:   re: Liga BBVA
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quote lazio
quote Star of Spurs
If they spend £40m on Bale (which is what we'd demand) and play him as a left back they're insane.
quote Guardian.co.uk
"Take Gareth Bale, a player I love," he explains. "He's a full-back in the Brazilian mould, he has a similar idea. In Europe [Spurs] play him as a winger, but in my team he'd always be a full-back. People get scared and play attacking full-backs as wingers. They think they will attack more, but often they attack less and less well. It happened with Roberto Carlos: as a winger, he was less effective, he needs to start his run sooner. Bale is more skilful and good as a winger, but at Barcelona he would be a full-back."
Pretty good interview actually and I love the pic of Alves at his desk, would love to see that office properly.
Yeah was going to quote this, 23-30 million for Alves, Bale a couple of years younger and higher potential, could definitely happen.


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