Author: The Realest
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 3:53pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote BolloThis is the point of contact.He's going out wide, almost perpendicular to the goal, Luiz is a yard behind him running straight towards the goal, it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity.
Welbeck is running diagonally into the box a good yard ahead of Luiz, Luiz would have to manouvere past Cahill on the floor before he even gets close enough to tackle Welbeck. If Welbeck doesn't get clipped, his pace would have allowed a shot on goal. For a striker, in that position, it is very possible to score, thus it is a goalscoring opportunity.
Author: DjedwardSmith
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 4:02pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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Beckham, Alonso, Martinez can score from the halfway line, is a foul in the centre circle on them a goalscoring opportunity?
Hate the phrase, hate when it has to be argued what is and isn't a goalscoring opportunity, something that I think needs clearing up.
Author: Cashis
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 4:04pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote DjedwardSmithwas gonna post this exact same thing earlier, its bullshitBeckham, Alonso, Martinez can score from the halfway line, is a foul in the centre circle on them a goalscoring opportunity?
Author: Chappy_112
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 4:04pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote DjedwardSmithAll the rules are vague as *bleep*, I have a feeling it's to protect referees. If the rules were clear and the ref *bleep*ed up he's got no way out of it. Now they can just argue it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity and who are we to say it isn't? It's personal interpretation.Beckham, Alonso, Martinez can score from the halfway line, is a foul in the centre circle on them a goalscoring opportunity?
Hate the phrase, hate when it has to be argued what is and isn't a goalscoring opportunity, something that I think needs clearing up.
Author: Matten08
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 4:06pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote Number 26No he actually can't defend at all...quote Matten08lol *bleep* off. bet you're basing this off watching highlights. he was a beast in our last few games and only slipped up for the Hernandez goal.Luiz would be better suited playing in midfield imo
he can't defend at all
Disappointing result. De Gea got United the point more than anyone else I think. Couldnt fault him for any of the goals and came up with two amazing saves at the end. Cech played well too I thought.
Author: The Realest
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 4:20pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote DjedwardSmithThats just ridiculous and you know it. If it was changed to be a yellow card no matter the situation then players would gladly take the yellow to drag somebody down who is through on goal...Beckham, Alonso, Martinez can score from the halfway line, is a foul in the centre circle on them a goalscoring opportunity?
Truth is, Welbeck was very likely to get a shot on goal so it was a goalscoring opportunity. You would be going nuts too if this was Arsenal. OH WOE IS ARSENAL BAD LUCK EVERY YEAR etc.. and you know it Ed..
Author: DjedwardSmith
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 4:24pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote The RealestWind it in a bit you chubby mong, I was talking generally.quote DjedwardSmithThats just ridiculous and you know it. If it was changed to be a yellow card no matter the situation then players would gladly take the yellow to drag somebody down who is through on goal...Beckham, Alonso, Martinez can score from the halfway line, is a foul in the centre circle on them a goalscoring opportunity?
Truth is, Welbeck was very likely to get a shot on goal so it was a goalscoring opportunity. You would be going nuts too if this was Arsenal. OH WOE IS ARSENAL BAD LUCK EVERY YEAR etc.. and you know it Ed..
But *bleep* it, since you want some attention.
How is it ridiculous? If Per Mertesacker is through on goal, 40 yards out, and he's brought down from behind. It's a red.
That's fair. Not arguing that.
However, it's the phrasing used to defend it. "Clear goalscoring oppportunity". That's what I take issue with, who are you, I, the media, to judge on what is and isn't a goal scoring opportunity? I'm not arguing with the rule as such, just the phrasing and definition used to defend and enforce it.
But hey, if you're so worked up about it enough to want to try and take a few digs at me, maybe it'd be better to go out and take a jog to sweat off some of that excess weight you're holding.
Author: The Realest
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 4:51pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote DjedwardSmithYou didn't mention Alonso etc being through on goal, my apologies I thought you were saying that since they were capable of scoring from the centre circle, if they were fouled there it was a goalscoring opportunity - which is ridiculous lolHow is it ridiculous? If Per Mertesacker is through on goal, 40 yards out, and he's brought down from behind. It's a red.
quoteIt is a very hard to judge rule, but in line with previous decisions and general ruling on these situations, Welbeck was very likely to be going through to get a shot at goal, Cahill prevented this and so should have been punished for it. Obviously there is no way of forseeing what would have happened had Welbeck not got taken down - he could have had a shit touch and wasted the opportunity - but in line with how these things go, Cahill should have gotten a red. And I have no doubt the referee would have given him one if he deemed it a foul. I think he just avoided the whole inside/outside the box last man/not last man situation by not giving anything at all.However, it's the phrasing used to defend it. "Clear goalscoring oppportunity". That's what I take issue with, who are you, I, the media, to judge on what is and isn't a goal scoring opportunity? I'm not arguing with the rule as such, just the phrasing and definition used to defend and enforce it.
Author: DjedwardSmith
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 4:59pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote The RealestThe rest of my post (which you left out when quoting) showed I was referring to the phrasing of it, hence the 'having to explain what is or isn't a goalscoring opportunity'.You didn't mention Alonso etc being through on goal, my apologies I thought you were saying that since they were capable of scoring from the centre circle, if they were fouled there it was a goalscoring opportunity - which is ridiculous lol
quoteAnd this pretty much contains all the issues I refer to. Last man, goalscoring opportunity, through on goal etc... There's far too much used to defend/argue decisions and it's just not clear enough. It used to be through on goal, then it was last man, and more recently it's clear goalscoring opportunity.It is a very hard to judge rule, but in line with previous decisions and general ruling on these situations, Welbeck was very likely to be going through to get a shot at goal, Cahill prevented this and so should have been punished for it. Obviously there is no way of forseeing what would have happened had Welbeck not got taken down - he could have had a shit touch and wasted the opportunity - but in line with how these things go, Cahill should have gotten a red. And I have no doubt the referee would have given him one if he deemed it a foul. I think he just avoided the whole inside/outside the box last man/not last man situation by not giving anything at all.
I've only actually seen one replay of the specific incident you're arguing (hence why I didn't get drawn into an argument about the incident, but the phrasing used in these instances), but I'll say it's clearly one of those situations where the confusion surrounding the phrasing I'm referring to is the very reason there's people arguing for and against.
Author: Bollo
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 5:27pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote The RealestManouvere? He's onlygot to step over him, not a big hindrance, Welbeck isn't in control of the ball there either, still got another yard before he gets the ball under control, then has to turn, Luiz is running back in front of him, not preposterous to say he gets back quicker.quote BolloThis is the point of contact.He's going out wide, almost perpendicular to the goal, Luiz is a yard behind him running straight towards the goal, it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity.
Welbeck is running diagonally into the box a good yard ahead of Luiz, Luiz would have to manouvere past Cahill on the floor before he even gets close enough to tackle Welbeck. If Welbeck doesn't get clipped, his pace would have allowed a shot on goal. For a striker, in that position, it is very possible to score, thus it is a goalscoring opportunity.
Author: The Realest
Date: Feb 07, 12 at 5:30pm (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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Jumping over Cahill would slow him down though.. Giving Welbeck even more ground and space to get a shot away.
Either way it wasn't given and its gone now so whatever.. lol
Author: Irish Gamer
Date: Feb 08, 12 at 12:31am (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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Massively disappointed to lose it at 3-0.
What's more frustrating than anything Howard Webb did is how unbelievably shit United are. And that Malouda stayed on the pitch. Seriously Fergie is just a mastermind for having such an average side so consistently at the top of the table for the past few years.
Luiz slipped up for the equaliser but has been playing well. A pity for him tbh. Hopefully we can get the win at Everton but they're always a pain in our ass as well.
Author: Junior Messi
Date: Feb 08, 12 at 12:51am (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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I always thought the 'goalscoring opportunity' was basically denying a 1 on 1 lol.
Author: BlueManx
Date: Feb 08, 12 at 3:41am (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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Completely objectively and I hate saying it, but that was a goalscoring opportunity, he was the last defender...it's a red.
Author: Ishy
Date: Feb 08, 12 at 4:26am (PST)
Subject: re: Chelsea vs Manchester United
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quote Irish GamerAny idea know why Malouda stayed on and Sturridge got subbed? Just made no sense.Massively disappointed to lose it at 3-0.
What's more frustrating than anything Howard Webb did is how unbelievably shit United are. And that Malouda stayed on the pitch. Seriously Fergie is just a mastermind for having such an average side so consistently at the top of the table for the past few years.
Luiz slipped up for the equaliser but has been playing well. A pity for him tbh. Hopefully we can get the win at Everton but they're always a pain in our ass as well.