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Author:   voixxy
Date:   Dec 11, 12 at 9:01pm (PST)
Subject:   DPS help?!
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I feel REALLY dumb, because I'm probably doing something very wrong.

My DPS is averaging around 18k. I'm not really sure why. I've had it higher before - when I was wearing my full Contender's set, I was averaging around 25k - 30k with spikes, but when I started getting heroic gear and equipping it, even after reforging and with both hit and expertise capped out, for some reason i'm down to about 18k. You can check out my profile to see what i've got equipped/enchanted.

I always keep my blades poisoned, usually with Wound Poison (and with Leech Poison), and I keep myself buffed with my Alchemist's Flask.

It must be something with my rotation. I don't play with any mods, so maybe a good combat/battle mod would help? When stealthed, I always open with Ambush, and I keep Revealing Strike up and keep up Sinister Strike, Slice & Dice, Rupture, and Eviscerate. I use Shadow Blades and Killing Spree on cooldown, and use Kidney Shot, Expose Armor, and Disarm whenever I can.

I checked out Noxxic.com and followed the advice on there, including glyphs and whatnot. I just feel like a level 90 combat rogue ought to DPSing significantly better than this.

Help?



Author:   Avalith
Date:   Dec 11, 12 at 11:44pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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Hey there voixxy, and welcome to Neoseeker! I'm glad you chose to ask us for help here. I'm even more glad that you're playing a rogue. Aside from warriors, rogues are my class of choice. <3

Let's see what I can do to help out here: You do not want to be missing out on any haste. However, your caps come first. Your pants, for example, have crit, mastery, and haste (after reforging crit). You're not quite at the expertise cap yet, so change that reforge to expertise from mastery instead of crit. The closer you are to caps, the better. All secondary stats are pointless if you can't hit anything!

Next, onto your rotation. As combat, you've got the easiest rotation of any rogue to handle. This is your priority list: Make sure you're using Shadow Blades and Adrenaline Rush together and on cooldown. Don't forget about Kililng Spree when you've got low energy, but definitely don't use it while AR is up. Capping out on energy is actually a net DPS loss for any rogue.

One thing I would recommend you check out is an addon called SliceCommander. It'll give you visible timers for all your abilities and should make it much easier to keep your Slice and Dice and Ruptures up. Having it right in front of you instead of having to keep an eye on the boss's debuffs makes things a lot easier and you'll be able to pay more attention to the rest of what's going on.

If this doesn't help, or if you have more questions, or even if you'd like me to run a dungeon or two with you to see what's going on, feel free to reply to this thread or add me as a BattleTag friend. My BattleTag is Avalith#1298.



Author:   voixxy
Date:   Dec 12, 12 at 12:57am (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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THANK YOU SO MUCH

I just ran Sha of Anger and a few dungeons and got some better gear, reforged to recap my hit/expertise (caps are at 7.5%, right?) and added to haste. i also made sure everything spare boosted my agility - it was at about 9k and now it's over 12k. i enchanted the new items i have, my avg ilvl is at 460, and i'm low on gold but as soon as i can afford it i'll grab the weapon enchants you were telling me about. i'll definitely check out the addon you mentioned.

i took your advice about my rotation and with that and my gear upgrades/reforges, i'm already i'm up from about 18k to about 30k against a ?? Raider Training Dummy. i can't thank you enough, your advice has already helped a ton. hopefully it'll get even better after i pick up that mod, it's so hard to keep an eye on everything at once - and playing a rogue, the intricacies of combat can be daunting. i love playing rogues though, my mains have always been rogue-y. i like being able to steal things and pick locks and sneak-sneak-KILL.

thanks again for your help and time i'll keep you posted.



Author:   Avalith
Date:   Dec 12, 12 at 6:22am (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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Not a problem mate. I'm glad I was able to help you out! My rogue was my first level 85 toon back in Cata, and I was all over the legendary in Dragon Soul. I normally play Subtlety myself mainly because everyone always says it can't do PvE, so I understand what you mean entirely about keeping an eye on everything. I miss having Eviscerate refresh Rupture for me.



Author:   Sir Auron
Date:   Dec 12, 12 at 3:48pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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Avalith

Do you know everything about every class? If you do that's awsome. But for those with similar problems with other classes I use Mr. Robot. It's good for maximizing dps.

P.S. my rogue rocks too now thank you very much.



Author:   Avalith
Date:   Dec 12, 12 at 4:04pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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quote Sir Auron
Avalith

Do you know everything about every class? If you do that's sediment. But for those with similar problems with other classes I use Mr. Robot. It's good for maximizing dps.

P.S. my rogue rocks too now thank you very much.
Haha, not by a long shot. Rogues (subtlety is the best spec by far, btw!) and DKs are the only classes I know inside and out for all three specs. I'm currently leveling an Arms/Prot warrior, and I know Ret/Prot for pallies along with Feral/Guardian Druids. I haven't tried Holy yet in MoP.



Author:   Sir Auron
Date:   Dec 12, 12 at 6:59pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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I believe that if geared with enough haste and mastery, demonology warlocks are mean. Last night I was running mop heroics and lobing 100k soulfires.... Now that's beast.



Author:   Avalith
Date:   Dec 13, 12 at 1:41am (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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Sir Auron, according to one of my lock friends, it's haste and crit for demonology. Mastery's just nice to have.



Author:   Angyles Cerddoriaeth
Date:   Dec 13, 12 at 10:10am (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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Another site you might want to check out as a rogue is Shadowcraft. It is THE site you should as a rogue.



Author:   Sir Auron
Date:   Dec 17, 12 at 11:53pm (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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quote Avalith
Sir Auron, according to one of my lock friends, it's haste and crit for demonology. Mastery's just nice to have.
The reson i go for mastery over crit is because of the way mastery works for demonology. It will boost your base damage while in demon form 2.5 times. when in demon form you crit ALOT and then adding Molten Core effects you will crit every time on your soul fire so your throwing 100K fireballs Really quick. With crit your still lookign at unpredicatble damage where i am going for solid reliable damage that snowballs, yes its starts and 15 to 20K shadowbolts but by the time the boss is half life down, you can be set to start throwing 100K every 2 seconds.



Author:   Avalith
Date:   Dec 18, 12 at 10:15am (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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Fair enough. I have never played a lock and probably never will, so I'm just going based off of other people.



Author:   Doffy
Date:   Dec 18, 12 at 11:19am (PST)
Subject:   re: DPS help?!
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That Rogue dps summary is pretty good. Make some macro's too like agility pot + trinket or damage boost CD so it only takes up one space on your action bar and is easy to just pop them all when bloodlust is up or the boss is at an increased damage taken phase.


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