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Author:   harbin
Date:   Jul 08, 12 at 1:16pm (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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Finally got my second monitor up, after nicking my printers power cable and using a DVI/VGA adapater instead of just a DVI cable (didn't have one available).

Any way on changing the desktop wallpaper on the second monitor instead of it being the same as my first? Would've helped if they were the same resolution aswell.

Suppose I'll have to get used to the fact that the second monitor isn't backlight aswell.

Would also be nice if the taskbar could extend onto both aswell just for ease of use if I'm watching telly whilst using the PC. The only way I could do that is to set the other as the main and with the size difference, I don't really want to have to. And for it to know when the monitor is turned off so it doesn't keep extending the display to something that isn't turned on.

Is there anyway to have seperate desktop settings for different monitors? Found out how to disable it manually. Gonna have to get used to this dual monitor malarky however.

EDIT: AGGHHH!!!! *bleep*ING HATE CATALYST. IT'S REACTIVATED THE DISPLAY!

This message was edited on 2012-07-08T13:32:35-07:00.



Author:   deeplove
Date:   Jul 08, 12 at 2:15pm (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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Lol. You're really having a great time with Catalyst Harbin.



Well, I was able to OC today and I managed to get Linux to work on my PC. Ubuntu just didn't want to jump on for the fun. But Mint? Working like a charm. I'm on it right now. I wonder why Ubuntu gave me issues. Oh well, Mint it is.

A very productive day for me. Woo Hoo!



Author:   harbin
Date:   Jul 08, 12 at 2:41pm (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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quote deeplove
Lol. You're really having a great time with Catalyst Harbin.
It just misbehaves. It was fine the second time I forced it to disable.



Author:   deeplove
Date:   Jul 09, 12 at 8:57am (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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I'm diggin this Linux gig. Pretty cool. Just need to get used to it. I'm running my 555BE at 4.0MHz with it. Wish I had a temperature reader like Speedfan on Linux but I guess using "sensors" on the terminal will be alright. That or I can get myself a proper fan controller.

Harbin, you managed to get your Catalyst to behave nicer?

Can you guys tell me what "loose" means when you're about to overclock the timings on the RAM? hiigaran, I know you mentioned that to me on PM. If I put the timings that are on the RAM heatsinks (label), would those be the stock timings and if so, do I raise them or lower them to "loosen" the timings for overclocking?



Author:   hiigaran
Date:   Jul 09, 12 at 9:20am (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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when we talk about the timings on the RAM, we either loosen, or tighten them. those two words are the terms given to increasing and decreasing the timings. loosening, or increasing the timings will result in a lower performance, wheras tightening, or decreasing the timings will increase performance. the settings are all values of time, with most (if not all) settings referring to some kind of delay. tightening the timings will reduce the delay, which increases performance, and vice versa.

and yes, whatever settings you see printed on the RAM will be the default. however, they usually only show four of the timings. there are plenty more, but all of them will result in better performance if they are lowered (iirc).



Author:   deeplove
Date:   Jul 09, 12 at 10:22am (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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Ok, so if they're at 9 when I go down to 7 it would be considered "tightening" then.

I know my ram is rated at 7-7-7-20. So if I put them up to 9, would give that overclocking headroom?



Author:   harbin
Date:   Jul 09, 12 at 10:30am (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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quote deeplove
Harbin, you managed to get your Catalyst to behave nicer?
Well it has actually kept hold of my colour and scaling so it's working fine for the time being. I've got rid of the second monitor as fast as I put it up though. Immediately couldn't get used to it, not just that but the resolution and brightness differences annoyed my eyes.

quote deeplove
Ok, so if they're at 9 when I go down to 7 it would be considered "tightening" then.

I know my ram is rated at 7-7-7-20. So if I put them up to 9, would give that overclocking headroom?
It'll give you room to increase the speed of the RAM and viceversa. Lower speed RAM often has tighter timings.... although if you bump up the voltages a bit you should be able to improve both. Most of the time it varies between sticks. My current RAM would hit 7-7-7 if the speed was kept at 1333 and I gave it a voltage bump, otherwise 8-8-8 is the lowest I've got I think.

Hiigaran will tell you though that there isn't that much of a noticeable improvement with RAM overclocking.... only in synthetic benchmarks.



Author:   deeplove
Date:   Jul 09, 12 at 10:35am (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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Gotcha.

Something about these Hebrew National hotdogs...

Back to the conversation. I'll get to the RAM soon. I'm enjoying the 4.0MHz OC I finally accomplished. I'll probably try to squeeze out some more next weekend. The 4GB ram I have right now, I might just upgrade it to 8GB since getting 8GB isn't that expensive. Although, the 16GB aren't that expensive either and I would be able to futureproof.

Beer and Hebrew National...



Author:   hiigaran
Date:   Jul 09, 12 at 10:41am (PST)
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Hiigaran will tell you though that there isn't that much of a noticeable improvement with RAM overclocking.... only in synthetic benchmarks.
there isn't that much of a noticeable improvement with RAM overclocking.... only in synthetic benchmarks.

but anyway, there really isnt much of a point to overclocking your RAM unless you are doing it for bragging rights, or because you have memory intensive applications that would benefit from faster RAM (so basically, unless you are running a mid to high end server).



Author:   deeplove
Date:   Jul 09, 12 at 10:53am (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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lol

quote hiigaran
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Hiigaran will tell you though that there isn't that much of a noticeable improvement with RAM overclocking.... only in synthetic benchmarks.
there isn't that much of a noticeable improvement with RAM overclocking.... only in synthetic benchmarks.
Is there anyway I can game on Linux? I want to put League of Legends on there.



Author:   hiigaran
Date:   Jul 09, 12 at 10:57am (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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no idea. i havent played a single game in over 4 months now...not to mention that i have no clue how to work linux! i know there is something called WINE, but i dont know how it works. its not an emulator, but it allows you to use windows programs with it (but its not a universal thing...it has to be coded for each program). also, the way i understand it, there will be a performance hit, so if you were only just able to get playable frame rates on windows, forget gaming via WINE.



Author:   deeplove
Date:   Jul 09, 12 at 11:16am (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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I found out about that also. Mind you, I'm able to play league of legends while folding and itunes in the background at over 60fps. Don't know how much of a performance hit I would take. I don't mind taking the shaders of while playing since that's one of the less important things I care about.



Author:   harbin
Date:   Jul 13, 12 at 8:12am (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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I believe I've now understood where an eight core processor can fit in... Hypervisors are currently being touted as a huge business advantage. Basically they come in two types... Type One sits directly on the hardware and you run multiple OS' natively, type 2 is software based, where you have your main OS, then software such as Virtual PC or Virtual Box and have an OS in that.

CPUs with more than four cores have been considered wasteful because very few programs use all cores. However, a PC with 16GB of RAM and an eight core processor (in server environments they will have about 12 minimum) would allow a dual-boot system (basically that's what it is) such as a Mac, providing the hypervisor is available and capable for that (in this case BootCamp) to have Mac and Windows running concurrently on a single machine, with a dual monitor configuration done, one Mac/PC hybrid will have the same productivity as two seperate machines, using less power. This is being deployed on servers now in which before you used to have several specialised server, the current movement is now going towards one more powerful server deployed with a hypervisor running five instances of a server OS each doing their jobs.



Author:   deeplove
Date:   Jul 13, 12 at 2:42pm (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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Let me get this right. By having multiple os running in the same PC makes it not only efficient but convinient and this maybe reducing the cost in having extra hardware around while just maintaining the few the few it would take now.

Hope I got that right.



Author:   harbin
Date:   Jul 13, 12 at 2:49pm (PST)
Subject:   re: General Discussion 11 again: Now with twice the enchanting musk
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quote deeplove
Let me get this right. By having multiple os running in the same PC makes it not only efficient but convinient and this maybe reducing the cost in having extra hardware around while just maintaining the few the few it would take now.

Hope I got that right.
Pretty much... Efficient in terms of power saved, since it doesn't require two PCs being power, and efficient in terms of employee productivity.

Some issues with hypervisor though is hardware emulation, such as no native USB support and stuff like that. Probably has no feasability in the home yet, but I really am starting to see the advantages of it in a design company or something where they commonly switch between Mac and PC.


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