Author: Sakura
Date: Mar 18, 07 at 8:10pm (PST)
Subject: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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We were discussing this little issue in this thread, so I thought I would make a separate thread for it. I thought there was a thread for this already, but there isn't one in the index.
I am suggestion the Moderation Queue becomes private. It should only be seen by the Moderators that have power in the particular forum (Including Section and Super Mods of course) or section.
There is no need for members to be able to see why other people were reported. Frankly, it is none of their business. If they want to know why they were reported, they can just PM a moderator and ask. Most of the time though, either the post is restored, or the moderator will delete the post and send a message to the member about why it was deleted (or put a message in the thread if the thread was closed or a bunch of posts were deleted).
Comments? ^-^
Author: Big Willie
Date: Mar 18, 07 at 8:47pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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Although I agree with the fact that members really shouldn't know who's been reported and why, I see it as a necessary evil. Because if you don't have that there you will just get tons and tons of posts asking why he or she was reported.
Author: Chad
Date: Mar 18, 07 at 9:05pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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I would really like this. The only downsides to it though is maybe there might be an unmoderated forum a with a lot of reported posts in the queue and if the section moderator hasn't checked it in a while it would be hard to find out most of the reported posts to tell the section moderator. I mean you might find one or two, but I don't know many people who search threads just for this purpose. I do think though that after maybe seeing a few reported posts it would be good to contact the section moderator though, so I don't think it would be a major problem.
Also, I really think that the name "Moderation Queue" says it all. It should be accessable only to moderators. It really isn't the forum regular's business as to how many reported posts are in the queue and what they were reported for. ~_^
Author: Insanity Prevails
Date: Mar 18, 07 at 9:24pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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True, the mod queue should ideally be only for moderators (heck, I know no other forum that actually makes it public), but it probably does curb some of the curiosity (I say probably because I obviously cannot know for sure). We already get posts asking "WTF was I reported for?", but it usually ends when someone points out the given reason (assuming one was given).
There's also the member/moderator divide. Basically shutting such a system off might seem like saying "Get lost" to the average member and keeping them in the dark. Yes, it's not a given right for members to know, but it's not as if there's any sensitive or personal information in there so may as well let them satisfy curiosity since it doesn't do any real harm.
Author: Mishtram
Date: Mar 18, 07 at 9:36pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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Most of the time, folks who are asking why their post was reported also sarcastically remark about the reason behind their post being reported. Every so often we get the kids who think their being funny with report abuse. Yeah, people would be curious, but as long as people figure out that you should just move over reported posts, I think things would be fine if the moderation queue was removed from the public eye and into the private eye for those with permissions only. Also, it's not as if a member should be having a part in the decision making process that they couldn't already be part of when their post is shown as reported.
On the member/moderator dispute, I think it's a good thing to remember that we are the same thing, and that our abilities are a seperate entity for only parts of the site. Don't assume that our abilities change who we are, or that our powers should be brought to mind whenever we post. Only in moderator-related position should things like that be brought to mind. There's only a divide as long as members (and perhaps moderators) make that mistake.
Moderation is a small aspect of the site which always seems to be blown out of proportion, I think it would be a good thing to have more of it behind the scenes.
EDIT: Since, like usual, this thread has gone down the road of a debate, just wanted to mention two key things; one, members typically do not have a say in what happens to posts, and two; members might feel more secure about reporting things if they didn't need to worry about lashback from other members. Also, flaming through the queue might be cut down.
This message was edited by Mishtram on Mar 19 2007.
Author: Chronic Apathy
Date: Mar 18, 07 at 11:25pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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I don't support.
It's good for people to know why their post is reported, and as mentioned, it keeps some people from asking. If this is going to implemented, then the message saying your post has been put in the mod queue (with the exception of ones taken out of view) should be taken out as well.
Author: Ethical Lust
Date: Mar 19, 07 at 12:43am (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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when I am reported, I have a tendancy to want to know why, but when I go to look, I find it to be something I (of course) consider "stupid". Knowing why people are reported only makes them angry. So, I support this with the old saying "out of sight, out of mind" covering my back.
Author: Barmy Brat
Date: Mar 19, 07 at 6:44am (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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This suggestion really doesn't have any point behind it. Regular members have always had the ability to see the mod que and it has never done any harm. What is a good reason to take it away? Its not as if members get to see the full story, anyway (mainly, who reported the post). None of the information is sensitive, so I don't see one good reason why members shouldn't be able to see it.
This is suggesting we should take away a harmless feature just for the sake of it. I'm totally against this; Its pointless.
Author: E4 Morty
Date: Mar 19, 07 at 7:50am (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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I support too
Even though Hammerburst had a good point but then someone will say " Who reported me?
" and that makes it SPAMsmart idea Sakura ^^
This message was edited by E4 Morty on Mar 19 2007.
Author: Justin Time
Date: Mar 19, 07 at 8:20pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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No the mod queue stops questions of "why was this person reported"? And gets people their answer without having to wait for a mod to get on.
That, and it helps newbies see what they have done wrong. I do not support at all.
None of the information is sensitive, and it the public mod queue always has made it seem like there was a connection between the moderator and the average member.
Author: Sakura
Date: Mar 19, 07 at 8:24pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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I don't think it helps newbies to see what they did wrong at all. Most of the time, all it says is "Spamming", "Flaming", or nothing at all. Even if it does say Spamming or Flaming, the member would have to look up the rule, but they probably will just ask "What's spamming?" in the thread instead. It's a moderators job to explain what a member did wrong if they broke the rules anyways.
Also, getting people their answer without having to wait for the mod to get on isn't the best arguement in the world either. If you just learned a bit of patience, it wouldn't take long at all. If you for whatever reason can not get any patience, then there is usually super mod online who can help.
Author: Justin Time
Date: Mar 19, 07 at 8:26pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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So heres how I see it:
Non-Supporter reasons:
Helps newbies see what they did wrong
Curbs spam and curiousity
Lets you see what you did wrong without having to wait for a mod to come on
Mods don't have to answer as many questions, the queue answers many questions for them
It helps the reporters or those interested to see the something done about the things they have reported and helps people see the good that mods do
Public Mod Queue decreases feeling of moderator/user divide
Mod Queue posts contain no sensitive information
Supporter Reasons
People can't respond to reports in the mod queue
Its none of their bussiness
Doesn't seem like that hard of a choice, responses to mod queue posts aren't nearly as prevalent as spam asking what something was about and why it was reported would be if we took at the public access to the reasons things were reported.
This message was edited by Justin Time on Mar 19 2007.
Author: Sakura
Date: Mar 19, 07 at 8:30pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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I think Mishtram explained it quite well along with a few others. There is no point in repeating the same thing over and over again. ^^;
quote Justin TimeAlso, members with less than 50 posts along with guests, can't even see the Moderation Queue in the first place. ~_^That, and it helps newbies see what they have done wrong. I do not support at all.
Author: Justin Time
Date: Mar 19, 07 at 8:38pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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I still did not know all the rules after 50 posts.
quoteSeems like the "none of your bussiness argument". If there is no other argument for how it could help then there is no reason for this.Also, it's not as if a member should be having a part in the decision making process that they couldn't already be part of when their post is shown as reported.
By the way the non-mods do have a choice in the process, they actively bring these things to the mods attention (face it the mods couldn't find it all on their own), and it really helps them when they see something done about it.
Author: Insanity Prevails
Date: Mar 19, 07 at 9:16pm (PST)
Subject: re: [Suggestion] Moderation Queue Only Available to Moderators of that Forum
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Sakura (and everyone else supporting this) - answer me this. What benefits does this suggestion hold? At the moment all I see is the "it's none of their business" justification. Technically not but that's not a benefit; it's an opinion that doesn't sway the discussion in either direction.
The remarks along the lines of "OMG why was I reported" won't be curbed by such an action. Members will no longer be able to complain about the exact reason, but instead will go along the lines of "I bet it was for some stupid reason too". So no benefit there.
Information in there? None of it is sensitive or personal that is visible to non-moderators. So no benefit there either.
However, one possible downside is widening the divide. Yes, I know moderators are just regular members too (I've been there twice myself) but at the end of the day you're wearing a red tag. It shouldn't mean anything to that degree but it does. This action could very likely be seen as shutting them out even more.
It seems pointless to run such a risk when I can't see what actual benefits this would even serve.