Author: Superfast Oz
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 1:53am (PST)
Subject: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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Apparently this has already been decided, but I don't agree, so what the hell.
For those who don't know, these threads are effectively being banned from Loungin, and sent to G&A instead.Firstly, I put forward that the mass traffic these threads draw in will not carry over to the G&A forum. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is just a vain attempt to get some traffic for a vastly unpopular forum, yes? In turn, it's a useless step. Many people visit the threads in Loungin to simply put in their uncomplicated opinions on someones banners, which relates to the paragraph below, the specific definition of the G&A forum.
Now, the Graphics and Animation forum resides under a category called Programming and Design. In relation to this, forum content should be technical comments on banners, whereas Loungin covers the range of people who don't give a crap about layers and fancy effects, they just like to look at the pretty pictures and say, "hey, I like that one!" Read through the 10 or so threads in Loungin, I guarantee less than 10% of comments have any technical value.
You have to ask yourself why banners are such a big thing on Neoseeker. Because it certainly was not like this when I first arrived. Nobody really cared if my memory serves me correct. It's a logical conclusion that the popularity of Loungin has snowballed the popularity of banner making, so what purpose does it serve to outlaw it?
A final pointer is why people won't post in G&A. Take a look in that forum, it's full of some serious talent. So while in Loungin, we have members posting their awful efforts without a care in the World, G&A is pretty daunting with all it's tutorials and members pointing out how their comparatively brilliant work took them mere minutes to knock up.
I know for a fact the few people behind this have a personal interest in the G&A forum, which is why I raise this like I have. What really matters is what people want, and it's statistically obvious that Loungin is where the people want it, so I see no need to change things at all.
Everyone is welcome to respond to this, but it certainly does not serve as an excuse for the G&A crew to come here and flame me, as happened recently in Loungin when I raised the issue.
This message was edited by Superfast Oz on Nov 26 2002.
Author: Johnny G
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 2:12am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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Hell must have frozen over, because for once I agree with Superfast Oz.
He is entirely correct on every point he brings up. Those who post in the Graphics forum are on a different level all-together. Take a look in one of the G&A threads and compare it to the Loungin' ones. There is a huge difference. G&A has images created from the ground up using five different programs. The Lounge has banners copied and pasted (poorly, I might add) into MSPaint.
The point is that if these threads were to go to G&A it would just piss off that forum's current residents. They would see their own work (which is well worth viewing) lost in a sea of half-assed crap.
I tell you honestly that only about 1 in 10 lounge banner posters has what it takes to reasonably post in the G&A forum. So why are we going to force people to go there?
I don't see what the problem here is. These threads generate lots of traffic for the Lounge with very minimal moderation required. The catch is this: that traffic will only exist in the Lounge. If these threads are moved they will die off very quickly.
People want a place to show off their own efforts, regardless of how poor they may be. Why are we taking this away from them? I can see absolutely nothing positive about this decision... all it's going to do is piss off lounge members and constipate flow in that forum. The G&A forum won't gain any real traffic from this, and if it does the majority of it will be garbage.
Author: Dark Reaper
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:02am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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hmmmm... If I recal a thread about voting for the G&A competition, some people made comments... hmm what were their names... how about Superfast Oz... In a thread that totaly lowered everyones self-esteem in G&A, by calling all the entries Rubbish. Then a comment was made about that thread not belonging in Lounging because if has no relevance to the interests of the people who post there. So let's see now, does a thread about commenting on people avatars and banners belong in lounging or a forum about Graphics?
So I totally agree with the closure of those threads, why? Because you seem to have a hatred towards everybody else's images except for those posted in lounging.
Author: Superfast Oz
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:07am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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For why the threads should stay in Loungin, try reading mine and Johnny's posts, since they both cover it pretty well. Maybe you forgot to read them and just tried to pick a fight with me?
quote Dark ReaperThat's really awful reasoning. I know I welcomed opinions, but that's just stupid.So I totally agree with the closure of those threads, why? Because you seem to have a hatred towards everybody else's images except for those posted in lounging.
Author: Johnny G
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:09am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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quote Superfast OzAlso look in the current Banner thread in the Lounge; the debate over this has exploded there as well, and I've made at least two lengthy posts on it so far.For why the threads should stay in Loungin, try reading mine and Johnny's posts, since they both cover it pretty well.
Author: Dark Reaper
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:27am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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quote Superfast OzYou say it's serious talent, yet you couldn't leave a positive comment about them. You just had to put everybody down.A final pointer is why people won't post in G&A. Take a look in that forum, it's full of some serious talent.
quote Superfast OzThe only reasons I have found so far is:For why the threads should stay in Loungin,
With that last point I think you really do want the thread in lounging... Cause you care so much about them.
I know most of my hatred is left over from the Voting thread, but you had enough time to post lenghty comments about why that thread shouldn't be in lounging, while you could have had the time to vote and forget about the topic.
This message was edited by Dark Reaper on Nov 25 2002.
Author: flipper2099
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:39am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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Whats so difficult to understand? Banners and Avatars, the sole reason for Graphics and Animations existence. How fitting it would be to discuss everyones work in a forum, created for that very purpose?
The argument that the Loungin threads need little care is just wrong, they are full of junk, half of the last thread is all spam.
Oh thats very professional, why not put everyone whose post you don't agree with into the queue...
Author: Johnny G
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:44am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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Oh please. This is a paltry attempt to increase traffic in a less popular forum. Don't get me wrong now, I'm all for building a forum's activity and traffic. Just don't steal it from other forums.
You all know that people are still going to post their banner in the Lounge regardless of this new rule. What are we going to to... ban them all?
There is a very fine equilibreum in these forums, and the Banner threads in the Lounge are at the heart of it. I wouldn't go screwing with it, as no good can come of this.
Author: Dark Reaper
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:45am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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quote Johnny_GThe banner looks very bright, almost as though it's overexposed. Try turning down the ambient light in the image, I think it would help. Solid banner though.
quote Superfast OzPlease tell me where in Johnny's Post does he not use technical terms?In relation to this, forum content should be technical comments on banners, whereas Loungin covers the range of people who don't give a crap about layers and fancy effects, they just like to look at the pretty pictures and say, "hey, I like that one!"
(Sorry for using yours as an example Johnny.)
Author: Superfast Oz
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:47am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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flipper, your argument remains void by my first post. You fail to counter anything I've said at all. Quite frankly, you can't. If the UC behind this isn't too proud to back down, the threads will stay in Loungin for the reasons provided, not to mention the public demand - which is what matters.
Why I reported Dark Reapers post is none of your business, but it had nothing to do with me disagreeing with his opinions.
edit: Dark Reaper, I said majority, 90%. That doesn't mean go find a post and try to show me up as wrong.
This message was edited by Superfast Oz on Nov 25 2002.
Author: Johnny G
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:49am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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I made a suggestion that happened to involve a more technical term because I knew the program. And one such post is hardly enough to justify the move.
Author: Dark Reaper
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:56am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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How about we just stop this, I know that all my comments came from my hatred towards everybody's comments in the voting thread, so wow some of my comments were crap but do I care?
I would have to say now, just leave the thread in lounging, as it seems to piss plenty of people off. And it seems to be so precious...
AND IN NO WAY, WAS THIS TO GET MORE TRAFFIC INTO G&A.
Author: flipper2099
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 3:56am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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quoteThat is how you feel, but I disagree. It seems you just want to argue rhetoric, and not make a proper appeal.Quite frankly, you can't.
Regardless of how professional a handful of the members may seem, they are all still new, and it hasn't stopped anyone from posting their work, regardless of their experience level. The atmosphere is very inviting and conducive to learning, not that I can say the same for Loungin...
quoteThe forum is by far, 'dead', it gets plenty of attention, its not as if there is a yearning to bring it back from the dead.AND IN NO WAY, WAS THIS TO GET MORE TRAFFIC INTO G&A
Author: Johnny G
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 4:00am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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quote Dark ReaperReally? Then what the hell was it? Seriously, I have yet to see a single thing that would be gained by this.AND IN NO WAY, WAS THIS TO GET MORE TRAFFIC INTO G&A.
Author: Superfast Oz
Date: Nov 26, 02 at 4:03am (PST)
Subject: re: Banner/Avatar Thread Closures in Loungin
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flipper, I want to discuss this, but the arguments you two have presented have been so poor it's not even worth justifying them with a reply. You say that the view of the forum hasn't stopped anyone posting, but even today Aggro posted about how he wouldn't put up his stuff over there. Sorry, but if you want to refute what I've said, you need to put a little thought into it first.