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Author:   KH researcher
Date:   Apr 17, 08 at 1:13pm (PST)
Subject:   FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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I found this very interesting, and did not know until now that FFVII's world is a result of the occurances in FFX/X-2.
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****Translations concerning the plot-related connection between FFVII and
FFX/X-2**** (007)
As some fans of Final Fantasy VII, X and X-2 may or may not know, the worlds
of the two games share a plot-related connection. The connection's existance
was established during an interview with Yoshinori Kitase (lead developer of
the Final Fantasy series) and Kazushige Nojima (the scenario writer of Final
Fantasy VII, Before Crisis, Advent Children, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy
X, Final Fantasy X-2 and the Kingdom Hearts series) in 2002, as featured in
the Final Fantasy X Ultimania Omega guidebook, an official Square-Enix
publication.

This interview established that there would be a connection between the two
worlds, though it didn't detail it. However, based on what was later revealed
to be the connection, it's clear that it had already been conceived, as
Kitase hints at it with his final word on the subject. In 2003, the exact
nature of the concept was finally revealed in the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania,
having been hinted toward by a few elements of the game.

Nojima revealed that Shinra of the Gullwings, an Al Bhed child prodigy and
inventor of various machinery, would attempt using the remains of Vegnagun --
the behemoth machina Shuyin tried to destroy Spira with -- to extract life
energy from the Farplane and use it to power machines.
Shinra would attempt
doing this as a result of his analysis of the Farplane late in the game.
During this diagnostic, Shinra concluded that there was a great deal of energy
floating around inside the Farplane
, and that it was most likely the life
force of Spira
, which could be extracted and used as a power source; however,
he concluded that it would take generations to properly implement the idea.

Further of note is that Nojima explained that the Al Bhed entrepeneur Rin also
was interested in extracting mako from the Farplane, and that he provided
Shinra with the funding to make the attempt.
For his part, Rin's desire to do
this is revealed during the game should he be uncovered as the culprit behind
covering up the malfunctioning machina disaster on the Mi'hen Highroad.

Nojima went on to say that Shinra's attempts to use Vegnagun's remains failed
and that he was unable to complete the concept of mako-extraction, just as
Shinra had predicted. However, some 1000 years later, once space travel became
possible, Shinra's descendants would go on a voyage to the world of Final
Fantasy VII.
There, at some point in the future, they would be successful in
utilizing the concept, and would provide electricity from the Planet for a
price; these descendants would found the Shin-Ra Company of Final Fantasy VII.

The connection would again be hinted toward in the Final Fantasy X-2:
International+Last Mission (released in 2004) game's Last Mission scenario, in
which Rikku revealed that Rin and Shinra had begun working together. Next,
the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guidebook (released in September, 2005)
also brings forth mention of the concept, and, finally, the connection may
have received further indication through Dirge of Cerberus (released in
January, 2006) and the Advent Children Reunion Files book (released in May,
2006), in which it is established that the Shera airship seen in Advent
Children and Dirge of Cerberus runs on ancient, lost non-mako technology that
Cid discovered.
This technology very well may have originally belonged to
Shinra's descendants, as they are the only previous inhabitants of VII's world
indicated to have been in possession of advanced technology, and because the
interior of the Shera bears some aesthetic resemblances to those of the
Fahrenheit and Celsius airships that figure prominently into FFX and FFX-2
(though the Shera's interior bears more of a resemblance to the Celsius').

I will here present the dialogue from Final Fantasy X-2 that hints at the
connection, as well as the interviews and other translations that establish
its existance as part of official Final Fantasy continuity.

***Dialogue with Rin from Final Fantasy X-2***
Rin
"You are suggesting that my decision to upgrade the machina resulted in a
number of casualties... ... and that I tried to cover it up?"

Yuna
"You put the investigation in our hands because we were amateurs. You hoped we
would botch the case."

Yuna
"And then, I kept calling you even though I didn't have any leads."

Yuna
"You would have objected to the meaningless interruptions, if you really
wanted to solve the case."

Rin
"I see. It appears that I have underestimated you, Yuna."

Rikku
"Why, Rin?"

Rin
"If word got out that machina pose a danger, people would fear them and stop
using them."

Paine
"So Yevon's not alone in sweeping things under the rug."

Rin
"I firmly believe that machina are an indispensable part of Spira's
development."

Rin
"Even if there is another incident, I intend to conceal the evidence."

Yuna
"You really think people will follow you that way?"

Rin
"I am not alone in my thinking."

Rin
"We are researching ways to extract the vast energy that sleeps in Spira, and
use it to power machina."

Paine
"You're a jackass."

Rin
"I will take that as a compliment."



***Dialogue with Shinra from Final Fantasy X-2***
Shinra
"Aha..."

Yuna
"What are you looking at?"

Shinra
"Farplane data."

Shinra
"The more I study it, the more fascinating it gets. There's limitless energy
swirling around in there."

Yuna
"Limitless energy?"

Shinra
"The life force that flows through our planet...I think."

Shinra
"With a little work, we could probably extract the energy in a useable form."

Brother
"Sweet!"

Shinra
"Of course, that'd take generations."

Brother
"That's no fun!"

Buddy
"Well, still, it is something worth shooting for."

Yuna
"Think how much Spira would change if we ever got it to work!"

Yuna
"Maybe one day we could build a city full of light, one that never sleeps!"

Shinra
"No doubt about it."



***Dialogue with Rikku from Final Fantasy X-2: International+Last Mission***
Paine
"These days, people are always looking for sunken machina."

Rikku
"Yup-yup!"

Yuna
"Oh? Has Shinra been helping you with that?"

Rikku
"Ahh, now that you bring it up..."

Rikku
"Well, he left the ship and got together with Rin, and what do you think all
that research they've been doing is about?"



***Interview with Yoshinori Kitase and Kazushige Nojima in the Final Fantasy X
Ultimania Omega*** (Page 191)
**FFVII and FFX are connected?!**
--"Previously, with a conversation in the FFX Scenario Ultimania, you made
certain inferences, and since it's been about half a year since then, is there
anything new you'd like to clarify about FFX?"

Kitase
"That's true...... Now that FFX International is out and we're in the future,
I'm in a predicament; it really isn't that hard to think of another story
[set] in that world; room for expansion was left possible there without too
much difficulty, don't you think? Speaking conversely, FFX received a splendid
reception and made us think of adding to it."

Nojima
"After FFVII was finished, we were easily able to add Zack's open[-ended role]
into the International version. But, with X, there was an older story with a
partly-finished world and an opening that this new one could be added to and
[, in doing] so[,] complete it."

Kitase
"So, you could say [in terms of] time, Nojima-san decided to designate it to
act as a sequel to VII, if you follow me."


--"It's a sequel to VII!!"

Kitase
"Well, there was a joke right there. Simply put, in VII's ending, Holy came,
and the next thing you knew, it was over without closing things up, and then
it was the "500 years later" [scene] in the future. There's a large margin
buried there. A margin for the imagination. Nojima-san and Toriyama are going
to be filling something of that with VII, though, while they're at their best
and can do it."


--"So, will it become a sequel to VII's story?"

Nojima
"I have a strong feeling that they're going to be connected."


--"Huh, so VII and X ARE connected?"

Nojima
"Well, there's not many specifics to it. I know that what becomes of people
when they die is among them; you could say that it's basically the same. Both
[concepts came to] function along the same line of thought as I wrote the
stories. Sometimes my thoughts just flow out like that, even though pyreflies
distinctly aren't green."


--"When you speak of the dead becoming [something] green, do you perhaps
[mean]......?"

Nojima
"Yes. In my mind, pyreflies and VII's Lifestream are the same substance."

Kitase
"Nojima-san's even considering making use of an idea like this -- [with] an
addition to the idea of life origin -- in a sequel to FFX International.
That's just a little bit of the thought that's been going into what to do with
VII."

Nojima
"That's right. There's something like the Lifestream [in X's world
also]......."


--"'An addition to the idea of life origin'......does that mean you're going
to revise life origin concepts or something?"

Nojima
"I can't say......it's a secret (laughs)."

Kitase
"It's a surprise with how someone from the story conducts theirself with
regards to the Farplane."



***Interview with FFX-2 creators from the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania***
(Page 723)
**"So, what of this child, Shinra......"**
--"Among these latest stories, 'connected' is one of the key words becoming
applicable, isn't it?"

[Daisuke] Watanabe
"I personally like the word 'connected,' but there's one aspect where that
applies well."

Nojima
"During the game's progression, various vague things will be tied together to
reveal it."


--"For example, the name 'Shinra' suggests a connection with VII? There's
[what's said] in the 'Graduation Mission' scenario [ -- 'graduation'
referring to Shinra being soon to leave the Gullwings -- ], and the 'I am not
alone in my thinking' line from the 'Rin's Detective Work' scenario seems to
have some particular significance."

Nojima
"Actually, it does. After quitting the Gullwings, Shinra received enormous
financial support from Rin, and began trying to use Vegnagun to siphon Mako
Energy from the Farplane. But, he is unable to complete the system for
utilizing this energy in his generation, and in the future, when traveling to
distant planets becomes possible, the Shin-Ra Company is founded on another
world, or something like that....... That would happen about 1000 years after
this story, I think."


--"So VII's story is after that?"

Nojima
"Well, you could say the feelings I have are like that. When I think about the
characters, those are the kinds of feelings I already have. Shinra is a good
child, but his descendants are going to end up becoming like the president [of
Shin-Ra] (laughs)."

Watanabe
"With you said about VII, after seeing your episodes with Shinra, one of the
people on the [development] staff said that the first shot of the Bevelle
Underground 'gives the impression of somewhere else.'"

[Motomu] Toriyama
"Certainly; it looks like the opening shot of Midgar in VII."



***Information on Shinra of the Gullwings in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania
Omega*** (Page 563)
Shinra is a boy who supports the Gullwings, the group which the main
protagonist, Yuna, belongs to. He carries a name that gives him an association
to the Shin-Ra Company, and he is researching a method that could utilize the
energy of "the life force that flows through our planet." The results of this
cannot be seen in FFX-2, but maybe one day his descendants will establish a
"company that supplies the energy of the planet"?

(Accompanying screenshot caption)
The words of Shinra, which can be heard at the end of the story. This world
has something similar to the Lifestream that is worthy of attention.



***Interview with FFVII creators from the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania
Omega*** (Page 571)
--"At E3 (the world's largest game show, which was held in America), as a demo
for the PS3, the opening of FFVII was shown; was its purpose to serve as
something of a preliminary announcement?

Kitase
"Well, in regard to that, please think of it as a mere demonstration. Because
the production period for its imagery was [going to be] so short, we made the
opening of FFVII, as it was easy to represent. Beyond that, there is no
particular deeper meaning.


--"In that case, it's not a remake; when might you be making something to
serve as the direct continuation of FFX-2?"

Kitase
"Producing something like that holds the same problem as a remake [of FFVII],
as our schedule just isn't open for it [right now]."



***Information concerning the Shera and fuel in the Advent Children Reunion
Files book*** (Page 87)
What do they use for fuel in this time period?
"Cloud and the gang certainly aren't using mako anymore, because it drains the
life of the planet. That means they don't use Materia, either. Yuffie collects
them, but that's just because she lives to collect things (laughs). I guess
the airship must be running on some mysterious ancient power source." (Nomura)
Even though they're really iffy about specifics (NOT lol), it can be concluded that FFVII is in fact a direct (but distant) after occurance to FFX-2.

With that being said, I think that Jenova came from Spira!! Yes... FFX's story may give hints to the origins of Jenova, even though the developers claim that they're thought process just sort of coincidentally plotted everything together... I want to make other assumptions, but I'm just curious to see what other people's thoughts are on this matter.



Author:   Celes Leonhart
Date:   Apr 17, 08 at 1:23pm (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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This is quite old, but honestly, take everything said about it with a grain of salt. Although it's quite interesting, and would be quite nice, I don't believe many people actually do accept it canon to the Final Fantasy VII series.

I honestly don't think Jenova came from Spira, and I'd hate it if it did.



Author:   KH researcher
Date:   Apr 17, 08 at 1:28pm (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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But it pretty much is canon... it can't be any more clearly stated that Shinra's descendants are the humans that arrived on Gaia and started the Shin-Ra company and the extraction of mako. The only thing it would contradict is the people's own thought of the humans on the planet being Cetra that lost touch with the planet. And Sephiroth has sort of become the Sin of FFVII, just a lot more intricately conceived. I think that the people of Spira no matter where they go can not escape Sin, which is why Jenova came to the planet-- retribution for the children of Spira using machina, and destroying the planet with war. She is like Sin in a different form, and Sephioth accomplished what Seymour could not, since he was a lot closer to Jenova(Sin) from the start, having her cells and what not.



Author:   Miss Razz
Date:   Apr 17, 08 at 2:13pm (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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There was a discussion a while ago about the FFX-FFVII connection, though Kitase never implied it was anything more than a crazy idea that he'd thought up. It isn't canon.

Anyways, this is what I'd posted on the topic:

This is exactly why Squeenix should keep their mouthes shut. Rather than thinking up idiotic and elaborate reasons as to why FFX and FFVII are connected, they should focus on detailing the stories we see in the FFFVII games.

Their connection between Shinra (from FFX) and ShinRa (from FFVII) doesn't even make sense.

In FFX-2 Shinra implies that researching the "planet's energy" willtake thousands of years. This is essentially what sparked the idea that X-2 and FFVII are connected (that is, FFVII is the result of said "research). And that's exactly where the idea of their connection falls apart.

The ShinRa company in VII was only a small-time weapons developing company before the Wutai War. They only started researching and using Mako a few years before Crisis Core (iirc). This is stated in FFVII when you read one of the books inside the ShinRa HQ, so ShinRa hadn't even shown an interest in the Planet's energy before that, let alone been researching it for thousands of years.

Also, the idea that X-2 Shinra's descendants used a spaceship to travel to FFVII's world to use mako as electricity is absolutely laughable.
For one, is was stated that the Cetra were the first people to arrive on Gaia. (And not X-2 Shinra's descendants). It wasn't just an opinion that humans were Cetra who lost touch with the Planet - The Cetra (who lost touch with the Planet) were the very reason that Jenova succeeded in wiping out so many Cetra. Rather than helping the Cetra, they hid and waited til the Jenova threat was over. Those Cetra lost touch with the Planet and became humans.
I'll be damned if that entire story is erased simply because Kitase wants to randomly connect two completely different stories.

And even if it were true, there's no way that the Cetra would have put up with a bunch of "aliens" taking their Planet's energy and using it for their own gain. Remember when happened when Jenova landed on Gaia and posed a threat to the Planet's health? (Squeenix obviously don't). The Cetra went all-out to destroy her. They even went as far as sacrificing their own lives.


There are many things in FFVII that contradict the possibility of FFX and FFVII's connection.
The FFX-2 and FFVII connection is nothing more than idiotic ramblings from Kitase's self-absorbed mind.




Author:   Celes Leonhart
Date:   Apr 17, 08 at 2:21pm (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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And Lost Order can't be any clearer that Sephiroth jumps off the sword, or that The Maiden who Travels the Planet clearly states the love between Cloud and Aerith; just because it's published by Square, it doesn't mean it's canon.

Like said, most people take it with a grain of salt; none of them believing the depths you've gone into it regarding the situation. For that to be the scale you have gone into, Square would have unveiled the truth regarding the situation already, rather than leaving little clues here and there, with a jokey interview elsewhere and so on. Instead they'll continue to dribble shit and confuse everyone along the way.

Also, Jenova is a completely seperate Alien race who goes along killing whoever she finds and taking control of planets. Sephiroth himself controls her to do his dirty work for him, it's just a completely different idea to that of X's sin.


Edit: woh, long GG post o:



Author:   KH researcher
Date:   Apr 17, 08 at 2:43pm (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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Perhaps Nojima, Nomura, and Kitase are hinting toward something along the lines of the people in FFVII don't really know their history, and everything we think we know, we really don't. But then again, it may just be an attempt on their part to make themselves seem like they know more than the fans, and they want to reclaim their power over the whole creative processes, so that their precious franchise won't die.

And the whole story of the humans being Cetra that went into hiding and lost touch with the planet could still remain a possibility-- they said that only Shinra's family came from outer-space... The Cetra themselves had no such recalling of a group of them choosing not to fight Jenova...and they were originally accepting of Jenova before they found out what it was. Every single creature (and the planet itself) has been fighting Jenova since it arrived both directly and indirectly. Maybe while these Cetra went into hiding, Shin-Ra arrived on the planet, and started examining the planet and its energy, eventually learning how to survive on it like the Cetra did, just without connection to the Lifestream. And while the Cetra were being wiped out, the Shinra family was establishing itself. It being a weapons producer does show it's interest in the planet, because sooner or late they would have needed more and more energy to support weapons (machina) they wished to produce.

And I don't think it was a random coincidence that Jenova just happened to find a planet that would later have the technology to manifest her cells in the planet's inhabitants through their own will. I think that she was drawn to it by the Lifestream (which is pretty much the same idea as the Farplane, which draws fiends and other vile things). Her original intent seemed to be to take over the planet by draining it's energy, and then moving on to somewhere else, but really, who would have thought that a thousand years later she would live on through another person (Sephiroth).

In the way that Jenova came to wipe out the inhabitants of the planet, was defeated, but reborn through the very same inhabitants that tried to defeat her, in a never-ending cylce is the same concept as Sin. It is not until the people of Gaia re-embrace nature (the ending scene in FFVII where midgar is covered in greenery) that Jenova disappears and there is peace, the same way as with FFX... for them using machina and not embracing the nature of Spira, Sin will always haunt them. They also had the similar "false-belief" system... The people on Gaia believing that they are descendants of the Cetra is sort of like how Yevon misguided everyone to believe in their faith. Or a better example could be how Shinra thought that Jenova was a Cetra, and leading people to believe this (mainly Sephiroth), but in the end everyone knew the truth behind the past-- which is still to be resolved.

Shinra however has succeded. They managed to create something that could drain the planet's life force and create the ultimate weapon-- Sephiroth--a weapon that requires the entire planet's life energy to work.

I'm actually about to go and replay X and X-2 with the "connection" in mind, and hopefully I can deduce some better arguments lol My intuition just tells me that Jenova comes from Spira or the Farplane...or is Sin with a fayth of a woman as its core...possibly Yunalesca, or someone unknown. Nomura is especially clever at putting things in that were before unrecognizable until much later. I don't think they'd waste there time making up an interview about the connection if thee truly was not one. I mean their "schedules" wouldn't permit it, right?lol



Author:   Mr Muffins
Date:   Apr 18, 08 at 1:51am (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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I the first thing I thought of when I got to the farplane and Shinra started yapping on about energy was Final Fantasy VII. I don't really know why but you almost have to believe it. I mean his name is Shinra, he is a genius, and he did talk about harnessing the energy of the farplane which is filled with pyreflies which are remains of once living beings.

In all honesty I just think it is Squeenix trying to establish a connection between two of their most successful games.



Author:   KH researcher
Date:   Apr 18, 08 at 5:16pm (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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That's a good point... It's a well thought out strategy to make a game with a similar plot and connection to a successful installment. It'd be funny to see future installments have connections all to VII or other successful FFs, but it'd be a smart thing to do.

LOL I guess all this connection really means is "We connected these games so that we could make money in hopes of previous fan reaction." Remember that FFVII was the first FF made originally for the PSX and FFX was the first FF made for the PS2... I haven't played 13, but I'm assuming it's a lot like VII or X, based on this observation, since it was the first FF made for the PS3.



Author:   Final Blade
Date:   Apr 18, 08 at 9:21pm (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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That doesn't mean there is a connection, its more of what GG said and coincidence. There isn't anything canon or anything related.



Author:   KH researcher
Date:   Apr 18, 08 at 11:36pm (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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GG said that there were contradictions that made the developers' claims rubbish, and I say that there aren't and they made a valid connection, and instead of it being a complete coincidence they intentionally made them related to draw on FFVII's success...thus is why they named one of the vital characters in X-2 Shinra and made the plot and characters a lot similar.

As long as the creators say there is a connection, then if there were contradictions before then they become null, because it's what they say-- and what they say goes!



Author:   Kuja
Date:   Apr 19, 08 at 5:07am (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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i see it as an easter egg sorta thing



Author:   Mr Muffins
Date:   Apr 19, 08 at 5:20am (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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I mean they definately did not name the kid Shinra by accident. I don't mind this connection considering FFVII and FFX are my favorite games of all time (tied with LoZ: Ocarina of Time).

The main difference is the name of the planet. Would they really change the name of a planet over time?

Oh well, just some food for the mind. Oh and if you hate FFX don't just blow this thread off because you don't like it. KH researcher did his homework and has A LOT of information on why they are linked.



Author:   Miss Razz
Date:   Apr 19, 08 at 5:52am (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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quote Mr Muffins
I mean they definately did not name the kid Shinra by accident.
It's hardly unusual for Squeenix to reuse names in the Final Fantasy series. Calling a character "Shinra" in another FF game means nothing.

quote KH researcher
As long as the creators say there is a connection
They didn't say there is a connection. In fact, the entire interview was just completely light-hearted and jokey..

There is no connection. That's why there are so many contradictions in what Kojima and Kitase said.
We're not supposed to "cancel out" what we saw in the game for what the creators made up in one interview (if we did that, then nothing in the FFVII series would make sense with the amount of contradictions that come out of them).

The FFVII history is already set. It is specifically stated that ShinRa had no interest in the planet's energy until a few years before Crisis Core, so that in itself is enough to cancel out the entire 'theory'.

As for Jenova ... She had been travelling the universe and destroying planets for god-knows-how-long before she landed on Gaia. FFVII's world isn't special. It's just another planet for Jenova to destroy in the grand scheme of things.

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Kitase
"So, you could say [in terms of] time, Nojima-san decided to designate it to
act as a sequel to VII, if you follow me."


--"It's a sequel to VII!!"

Kitase
"Well, there was a joke right there. Simply put, in VII's ending, Holy came,
and the next thing you knew, it was over without closing things up, and then
it was the "500 years later" [scene] in the future. There's a large margin
buried there. A margin for the imagination. Nojima-san and Toriyama are going
to be filling something of that with VII, though, while they're at their best
and can do it."


--"So, will it become a sequel to VII's story?"

Nojima
"I have a strong feeling that they're going to be connected."
Now that doesn't sound like anything is confirmed. It doesn't even sound like they were being serious. Which is a damn good thing, because the whole idea that they are connected is just idiotic.



Author:   Mr Muffins
Date:   Apr 19, 08 at 6:20am (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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As knowledgable as you are I am always quick to agree with whatever you say. However, I still can't quite seem to understand how they could name the kid Shinra by accident. Then, have an entire conversation about turning the planet's life force into energy by accident. I realize there are so many loose ends and things that blow this theory out of the water. But let's face it, this wouldn't be the first time they made stuff that contradicted itself throughout the series.



Author:   Final Blade
Date:   Apr 19, 08 at 6:25am (PST)
Subject:   re: FFVII and FFX Connected?! [Theories and Possible Spoilers]
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quote Mr Muffins
I mean they definitely did not name the kid Shinra by accident. I don't mind this connection considering FFVII and FFX are my favorite games of all time (tied with LoZ: Ocarina of Time).

The main difference is the name of the planet. Would they really change the name of a planet over time?

Oh well, just some food for the mind. Oh and if you hate FFX don't just blow this thread off because you don't like it. KH researcher did his homework and has A LOT of information on why they are linked.
Are you talking to me?!
If so then let me state that i don't hate FF10, in fact i love it so much i rank it up with FF7 and 8 in being the best FF games. But i too have done my homework, alot more than KH researcher and there isn't any connection and it isn't confirmed that it is, like GG just pointed out.

Also to your its not an accident for them to call that dude Shinra, what about Cid? Are you suggestion every FF game that has a character named Cid, which is from 7 to 12, are connected in some way? Hardly, like GG said its not unusual for SE to reuse name, which that name is the most famous.



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