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Author:   Bloodsin
Date:   Dec 30, 01 at 9:23pm (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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Ok folks. Lets get back on topic or this thread will have to be closed. Anyone wishing to establish a battle with Elmdor and evil Olsen Twins can feel free to do so.



Author:   yurecca
Date:   Jan 02, 02 at 5:12am (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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wow... i cant relate on what ur talkin' bout... geesssh.. i missed the powerful one...

This message was edited by yurecca on Jan 03 2002.



Author:   Bloodsin
Date:   Jan 02, 02 at 11:51am (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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Which do you mean? Zodiac or Ultima???



Author:   Oniblade
Date:   Jan 02, 02 at 11:57am (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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He already said that he got Zodiac so I think he is talking about Ultima.It's not really that powerfull in reality.Most people who haven't got it think so because it was the most powerfull green materia in FF7.



Author:   yurecca
Date:   Jan 03, 02 at 9:14am (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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How can that be...Ultima is the last boss to be fought, right? you will learn that skill after you beat Ultima??? Uwao...Uwaoooo...Im confused:(



Author:   Bloodsin
Date:   Jan 03, 02 at 9:25am (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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It is because Tactis introduces Ultima's big brother All-Ultima. Unfortunately, it is in the hands of the endboss and FF bosses, With the exception of those in 8, are notorious for not sharing their spells with others.



Author:   Oniblade
Date:   Jan 03, 02 at 5:21pm (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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It doesn't make much sense to me that Ultima is a VERY POWERFULL spell in all the FF games but not in tactics.Weird.



Author:   JM
Date:   Jan 05, 02 at 6:39pm (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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I'm pretty sure Ultima would be more powerful in the hands of a built-up magical class. But usually Ramza isn't a magic class so the spell goes to waste. It leaves speechless, no wait here's a word: "Crap"



Author:   Oniblade
Date:   Jan 05, 02 at 7:46pm (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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Your right.If you put the Ultima spell in the hands of a female summoner or wizard it could be a deadly weapon.You'd have to use a cheat code to do so,though.



Author:   deathsythe212
Date:   Jan 06, 02 at 10:46am (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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I had Ramza master squire on book 2. he doesnt need to know Ultima.



Author:   Dark Reaper
Date:   Jan 06, 02 at 11:48am (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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But when you get to act 3 he will unmaster it and the star will disappear. But when you get Ultima you master it again.



Author:   Bloodsin
Date:   Jan 06, 02 at 12:09pm (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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That is abosutely correct. His Master's star does indeed disappear in the third chapter until you learn Ultima. I am guessing it is symbolic that he can indeed learn this spell as he is branded a Heretic.



Author:   newcomer
Date:   Jan 07, 02 at 11:34am (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does being a Heretic have to do with learning Ultima?

I'm a Heretic, so I can learn it too!



Author:   Oniblade
Date:   Jan 07, 02 at 5:21pm (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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It wouldn't be of any use to you because heretics have really low magic power.He he he..



Author:   Bloodsin
Date:   Jan 08, 02 at 11:44pm (PST)
Subject:   re: HOW CAN RAMZA MASTER THE SQUIRE AND SUMMONER JOBS???
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quote newcomer
Excuse my ignorance, but what does being a Heretic have to do with learning Ultima?

I'm a Heretic, so I can learn it too!
Actually, it has a lot to do with a supposition of mine that seeing as how Ramza is able to learn it. I think it is because he is out of the good grace of the church and demonized by the Church that Ramza was able to learn and master it.


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