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Author:   Mr Stupid
Date:   May 29, 02 at 10:56am (PST)
Subject:   What happened to...?
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I completed Soul Reaver last night (although I knew the ending already thanks to Soul Reaver 2! Doh!). Damn fine game, but I have a few questions based around a 'What happened to...?' format. (Warning, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, awooga, abandon ship mateys...ahem).
What happened to Turell? Kain's new lieutenant, sounds like a fine candidate for killing and the sucking of the souls and the wahey.
What happened to the human city? I thought it'd be part of a level (I stumbled across it early on by mistake), but it seems to be there for decoration purposes only.
Also, I missed a few things. I forgot to imbue the Soul Reaver with fire, for instance (I realised when I looked through that time window thingy and saw Raziel just standing there with Mr Red Reaver). Does this mean I was meant to go and kill Ariel?
This is what happens when you listen to that Elder dude; you rush around at his beck and call, and miss all this stuff!
JK



Author:   Uziel
Date:   May 29, 02 at 4:59pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~blincoln/lok/SR1.HTML

Answers to all your questions and more.



Author:   Necrin
Date:   May 29, 02 at 11:01pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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That site is excellent thanks for pointing it out. Gee I thought Dark Eden was the hut area outside the Silenced Cathedrial I better change my guide.



Author:   Mr Stupid
Date:   May 30, 02 at 1:03pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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Ah, I see. Deleted stuff, eh? Well, in that case, why on earth does that Time-window thingy still show Raziel killing Ariel if the programmers left it out of the game?
It's a turvy-topsy world out there...



Author:   Necrin
Date:   May 30, 02 at 2:30pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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Those portals were showing Raziels possible future. It looked like he would become an even bigger tyrant than Kain. It might happen I haven't played Soul Reaver 2.



Author:   Uziel
Date:   May 30, 02 at 6:35pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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Technical explanation: They likely didn't want to render new scenes for the time portals, so they left the old ones in. That's the main reason Turel's still in SR: They couldn't redo the opening CG to take him out, even though he was no longer in the game.

Storyline explanation: I always looked at it as those windows showing one possible future. Raziel kills Ariel (again ), kills Kain, and uses his enhanced abilities to destroy every vampire. Kain sees this outcome and, of course, doesn't like it, so he sets out to change it. Hence we end up with a sorta-incomplete storyline ending with Kain travelling to the past, rather than fighting Raziel to the death.



Author:   Necrin
Date:   May 30, 02 at 11:06pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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I think it would have been cooler if the portals showed what whould have happened Raziel if had not been thrown into the abyss. I think he is stronger in his new form but it would be nice to see what he would have evolved into.



Author:   Alternativ05
Date:   May 31, 02 at 4:37am (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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I think he simple would have evolved into the rare Winged Vampire race, as Janos is.



Author:   _Tifa_
Date:   Jun 06, 02 at 4:53am (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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I don't think that Raziel would have become one of the Winged Race ike Janos. He was already devianted. I think he would have ended up like a winged Kain.



Author:   Raziel 14
Date:   Jun 19, 06 at 3:24pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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in answer to the earlier question, Turel was capture and taken to averness cathedral raziel has to fight him in Legacy Of Kain: Defiance



Author:   Legardored
Date:   Mar 22, 07 at 2:07pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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Turel was taken back in time by the Dimension Guardian and the Time Guardian, you fight him in Difiance.

And to answer the question Raziel would not have turned into a winged race like Janos and he would not have turned into a Winged Kain. He would have Devolved like the rest of the clan but chances are he would have tuned into a Beehtmoth type monster (A giant bat in other words) because him and his brethern were not fully turned like other vampires.



Author:   stevied9366
Date:   Aug 09, 07 at 3:47pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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*SPOILER*

The Reason it shows Raziel With a red reaver, striking down Ariel and facing Kain is because it is forshadowing.

In SR2, Raziel is seen at the top of Janos' retreat with the fire reaver. Similar to the vision in the Chronoplast.

In Defiance Raziel faces Kain in Avernus, similar to the vision, and he obtains the spirit reaver by absobing Ariel's soul in The Spirit Forge.

Thus, the events are not what WOULD happen, but what WILL happen.



Author:   The Founder
Date:   Oct 13, 07 at 3:57am (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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quote stevied9366
*SPOILER*

The Reason it shows Raziel With a red reaver, striking down Ariel and facing Kain is because it is forshadowing.

In SR2, Raziel is seen at the top of Janos' retreat with the fire reaver. Similar to the vision in the Chronoplast.

In Defiance Raziel faces Kain in Avernus, similar to the vision, and he obtains the spirit reaver by absobing Ariel's soul in The Spirit Forge.

Thus, the events are not what WOULD happen, but what WILL happen.

Close, but I think you got the first bit wrong. You're right that it is foreshadowing, but it is also symbolic, it is twisting the events to make them look different, Raz himself pointed out that this may be due to the influence of his own doubts painting lies about his future.

The scene with the red reaver, that's called the Kain Reaver, you can actually wield it by entering a cheat, I have done this myself. It is not the Fire Reaver. This scene is foreshadowing a future scene, but not the one at Janos' citadel, it is actually mimmicking....

*MAJOR SPOILER*

The FINAL scene in the entire Legacy of Kain series, where it is Kain standing on the rooftop wielding a Raziel Reaver. You see the time windows showed a twisted version of what would actually happen, making Raz's absorbtion of Ariel look viscious, and switching the roles of Kain and Raz in the final scene.

Look at every window and you will see an event that does happen in the series, only altered slightly, to throw you off. Or rather, to throw Raziel off. These manipulations are obviously an attempt to sway Raziel's judgment as these events unfold, to make him doubt himself.


The Founder




Author:   flameomen
Date:   Jan 22, 09 at 12:00pm (PST)
Subject:   re: What happened to...?
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where is kain belly button and nipples lol


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