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Dec 19, 12 at 10:15pmFallout93


I'm thinking of building a gaming PC for around $2000, but $2500 max. (AUD)

- I'm not really interested in playing games like BF3 and Crysis on Ultra graphics settings, mainly just open-world games like Skyrim and Minecraft with heaps of mods installed, and heaps of shit going on screen (hundreds of NPCs fighting each other, blowing up 20,000+ TNTs etc.)

- I know very little about computers, and so I'll probably pay a professional to build and configure it, but if it's too expensive I might get a friend to do it. And I mainly want a computer that I won't have TOO much problems with (drivers, hardware reliability etc.), and that I won't have to upgrade (for at least another 5 years or so).

- I will be playing on a 21.5in 1080p resolution screen.

These are the parts I'm considering:

CASE: CoolerMaster HAF XM ($150)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20880

PSU: Corsair HX-750 V2 80 PLUS Gold ($200)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21284

MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P8Z77-V LK Motherboard ($150)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20036

CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K ($335)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20140

CPU COOLING: Corsair Hydro Series H80 ($115)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17919

GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 Overclocked 2GB ($430)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20209

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) ($95)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21770

SSD: Samsung 830 Series 256GB ($205)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20358

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB ($100)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=19554

CD/DVD: LG CH12LS28 12X BD-R Blu-ray DVD Combo Drive ($55)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18220

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit ($95)

TOTAL: $1,925


I was originally considering getting 2 graphics card in SLI, but everyone I talked to said that it would be a waste of money, based on the types of games that I want to play. And so I'm getting one now, then in a few years time, I want to get another one.

And I read that an i5 CPU is good enough for gaming, but read somewhere else that Skyrim and Minecraft are mainly CPU-based games (if that makes sense), so that's why I'm considering an i7 now. And Minecraft is apparently optimized for up to 12 cores.

And would the parts I want fit on the motherboard (including 2 GPUs), or should I get a smaller, cheaper motherboard? And the same goes for the case as well.

And advice would be much appreciated.

Thread Recap (last 10 posts from newest to oldest)

Dec 24, 12 at 3:22am
Benedict


If he's blowing up 20,000 TNT he'll need a lot of RAM. 40,000 consumes 10gb



Dec 24, 12 at 1:35am
Crusad3r


Anonymous I spent $2k on my current setup (including peripherals). It's run every new game released for the past year flawlessly. It will continue to run every new game released flawlessly for at least the next year. I can simply drop another graphics card in there after that to keep running games as if my rig was new.

Computers need to be upgraded every 3-5 years. What was good 3 years ago isn't good now.



Dec 23, 12 at 9:32pm
Anonymous


Im pretty biased about this subject at this point.

They keep coming out with games that boil the latest and greatest hardware. If you drop 3 to 5 large on a rig after upgrades you will probably feel that any game you buy should run flawlessly. They dont. They never do. At least they never did.

I had a bad ass rig that choked on ESIV:Oblivion. I felt like a fool for paying that much for what is now sitting in my basement, burnt out from OCing, and replaced with a laptop and smart phone.

They make console games to suit the standard console hardware. PC games dont follow that same logic. The newest bad ass game needs the best to run flawlessly, and even then, i never felt like i got my money's worth.



Dec 22, 12 at 5:17pm
Smok3Dogg


SSD's are great for gaming. Get at least a 128 or 256 is better. They run best when not full of data. Put ur OS and games on the SSD. I still got a OCZ Vertex 2 from 2 years ago and it is running fine. The newer SSD's are gonna last you min of 5 years with 20gb of writes a day now.

As for stock coolers they suck.

ASUS boards are pretty good. So are Asrock and Gigabyte.



Dec 22, 12 at 3:45pm
Fallout93


quote Crusad3r
Loading games on an SSD is a big mistake, since games make a lot of rewrites while saving, which drastically shortens the lifespan of your SSD. I've been told that 64gb is too small for a SSD due to rewriting and temporary files, which is why I recommend a 128gb one. Having an SSD isn't really necessary at this point in time unless you're a stickler for loading times.
Wow, I thought SSD's were these high-and-mighty, reliable, "no moving parts, so they'll last forever" thingies.
I was told that if you load Minecraft onto an SSD, it will load the "chunks" of the map/world much faster. And the same for Skyrim, in terms of rendering far away objects/environment much closer, as opposed to a HDD.

If what you're saying is true, about degrading their lifespan, and only benefiting in faster loading screens, then I might not get an SSD at all. And just cut back to get 2 graphics cards, which is what I originally intended to do.



Dec 21, 12 at 6:36am
Crusad3r


I've never had trouble with a Gigabyte mobo, whereas an Asus one fried on me a few years back. It's really just personal preference there. The differences are pretty minute for someone who's not a hardcore computer hardware enthusiast.

I use an i7 2600k with a stock cooler. Stays pretty stable at around 10-15 degrees above ambient temperature and never passing 80 degrees celcius unless overclocked. Aftermarket coolers are only for overclockers really. I've never lagged or overheated with Skyrim on my PC. It's not worth the extra $100 or so for the cooler.

Loading games on an SSD is a big mistake, since games make a lot of rewrites while saving, which drastically shortens the lifespan of your SSD. I've been told that 64gb is too small for a SSD due to rewriting and temporary files, which is why I recommend a 128gb one. Having an SSD isn't really necessary at this point in time unless you're a stickler for loading times.

Fallout93



Dec 21, 12 at 5:49am
Fallout93


quote Crusad3r
2. As motherboards go, I'd personally prefer one of these: http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/gigabyte_z77/

3. Unless you plan on overclocking, ditch the aftermarket cooler. If you plan on overclocking, look into liquid cooling.

4. Cut back to a 128gb SSD. You should only be installing Windows 7 on it and some essential programs. It'll save you a good $100. Use that money instead to get a 15000rpm HDD if you're after re-writing speed.
Thanks for the reply.
Firstly, is getting a motherboard like those ones worth it, for someone like me that won't be fiddling around with the computer hardware/software, just playing games? Because I was originally considering getting the $220 Asus P8Z77-V Pro, but then considered the cheapy one to save money. Are they better for SLI configurations? More reliable?

As for the cooler, I don't think I'll be overclocking, since I don't want to risk destroying/degrading anything, but I heard i7 CPUs get really hot. Won't I need a better cooler for when I'm playing heavily modded games like Skyrim, with a lot of shit happening on screen?

And with the SSD, I was originally considering getting a 64GB one, but everyone said that I should download all my actual games ONTO the SSD, so they can load/save/run faster. Is this true, and if so, is the difference noticeable/worth it?



Dec 20, 12 at 4:49am
Crusad3r


Hi Fallout93 and welcome to Neoseeker.

The following is just my personal opinion on your build

1. You could do with a cheaper power supply. Nothing wrong with yours, but it's certainly a very expensive option.

2. As motherboards go, I'd personally prefer one of these: http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/gigabyte_z77/

3. Unless you plan on overclocking, ditch the aftermarket cooler. If you plan on overclocking, look into liquid cooling.

4. Cut back to a 128gb SSD. You should only be installing Windows 7 on it and some essential programs. It'll save you a good $100. Use that money instead to get a 15000rpm HDD if you're after re-writing speed.

5. Get 1x 8gb RAM card and upgrade to 2x 8gb RAM cards in the future. 16gbs of RAM is just unnecessary at this point in time.

6. For your GPU, get this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1377&products_id=21450
It's the best single chip GPU available on the market today and will easily last you 5 years.

Minecraft and Skyrim will run no problems at all on your build. You could install a 256x256 HD texture pack to Minecraft and it'll still run at 250 frames per second no problems (at least it does for my i7 2600k + GTX 580 - basically your build but the previous generation).

Overall though, good build, if not a little expensive.

Also, look into our Minecraft and Skyrim forums right here on Neoseeker



Dec 19, 12 at 10:35pm
Smok3Dogg


Build looks solid. That mobo supports 2 vid cards. No problems there. The HAF XM is one awesome case. Just got it for my latest build. And I'm loving it.



Dec 19, 12 at 10:15pm
Fallout93


I'm thinking of building a gaming PC for around $2000, but $2500 max. (AUD)

- I'm not really interested in playing games like BF3 and Crysis on Ultra graphics settings, mainly just open-world games like Skyrim and Minecraft with heaps of mods installed, and heaps of shit going on screen (hundreds of NPCs fighting each other, blowing up 20,000+ TNTs etc.)

- I know very little about computers, and so I'll probably pay a professional to build and configure it, but if it's too expensive I might get a friend to do it. And I mainly want a computer that I won't have TOO much problems with (drivers, hardware reliability etc.), and that I won't have to upgrade (for at least another 5 years or so).

- I will be playing on a 21.5in 1080p resolution screen.

These are the parts I'm considering:

CASE: CoolerMaster HAF XM ($150)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20880

PSU: Corsair HX-750 V2 80 PLUS Gold ($200)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21284

MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P8Z77-V LK Motherboard ($150)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20036

CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K ($335)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20140

CPU COOLING: Corsair Hydro Series H80 ($115)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17919

GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 Overclocked 2GB ($430)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20209

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) ($95)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21770

SSD: Samsung 830 Series 256GB ($205)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20358

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB ($100)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=19554

CD/DVD: LG CH12LS28 12X BD-R Blu-ray DVD Combo Drive ($55)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18220

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit ($95)

TOTAL: $1,925


I was originally considering getting 2 graphics card in SLI, but everyone I talked to said that it would be a waste of money, based on the types of games that I want to play. And so I'm getting one now, then in a few years time, I want to get another one.

And I read that an i5 CPU is good enough for gaming, but read somewhere else that Skyrim and Minecraft are mainly CPU-based games (if that makes sense), so that's why I'm considering an i7 now. And Minecraft is apparently optimized for up to 12 cores.

And would the parts I want fit on the motherboard (including 2 GPUs), or should I get a smaller, cheaper motherboard? And the same goes for the case as well.

And advice would be much appreciated.



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