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May 07, 12 at 12:35amZarathustra
May 05, 12 at 11:52amcaptain boo
quote ctrlI'm more aware of that than you think. Western medicine has its place, but it is not as a preventative medicine nor as medicine to treat chronic illnesses.quote captain booDifferences between Western and Eastern medicine:Completely rejecting the complete idea of a system of medicine makes any doctor terrible. End of story.
Acupuncture works well for some, fantastic for others and no effect for others. So tell me why this is different from me not feeling any effect from the clinically proven medications I take for my allergies but can improve my symptoms with botanicals?
I'm not bashing Western Medicine, I'm saying that clinical studies only go so far in "proving" how effective something is. Not to mention Western health care practitioners are usually entirely clueless on any philosophy pertaining to Eastern Medicine as well, given how different it is. It's not wrong, because Traditional Chinese Medicine and Ayruveda are quite effective.
Now, as for acupuncture, my father told me he has never had anything work so fantastically for him than that treatment. He told me it was the only treatment he has ever had that has almost completely and entirely rid the pain in his shoulder. I may not understand Acupuncture, and it's possible no one does, but sceptics have to accept that there is something about acupuncture that works. You can't say it doesnt't work because it doesn't make sense just because we don't understand how it works yet, that's just ludicrous.
Obviously, like any medication, Acupuncture doesn't work 100% of the time, for everyone. The key to any system of medicine is finding the treatment that will alleviate the ailment, and that treatment may be as conventional or as abnormal as you like, but nothing will change that when you have a treatment that works, there's no reason to leave it, right?
Western Medicine: treats symptoms
Eastern Medicine: treats the cause
It's a simple fact that if people cured ailments in Western Medicine, then they wouldn't make any money. But by keeping people on medications that mask symptoms, but don't help the cause, they have a steady flow of income for years to come. Western Medicine is a Capitalist driven enterprise.
Western medicine's purpose is emergency situations, surgery, and acute illnesses that need their symptoms removed for convenience(although this does extend the sickness, it can help people get through working/school etc. without having to deal with it or a few hours).
It's pretty obvious that the entirety of Allopathy is a foolish philosophy not meant to maintain health.
May 05, 12 at 10:29amctrl
quote captain booDifferences between Western and Eastern medicine:Completely rejecting the complete idea of a system of medicine makes any doctor terrible. End of story.
Acupuncture works well for some, fantastic for others and no effect for others. So tell me why this is different from me not feeling any effect from the clinically proven medications I take for my allergies but can improve my symptoms with botanicals?
I'm not bashing Western Medicine, I'm saying that clinical studies only go so far in "proving" how effective something is. Not to mention Western health care practitioners are usually entirely clueless on any philosophy pertaining to Eastern Medicine as well, given how different it is. It's not wrong, because Traditional Chinese Medicine and Ayruveda are quite effective.
Now, as for acupuncture, my father told me he has never had anything work so fantastically for him than that treatment. He told me it was the only treatment he has ever had that has almost completely and entirely rid the pain in his shoulder. I may not understand Acupuncture, and it's possible no one does, but sceptics have to accept that there is something about acupuncture that works. You can't say it doesnt't work because it doesn't make sense just because we don't understand how it works yet, that's just ludicrous.
Obviously, like any medication, Acupuncture doesn't work 100% of the time, for everyone. The key to any system of medicine is finding the treatment that will alleviate the ailment, and that treatment may be as conventional or as abnormal as you like, but nothing will change that when you have a treatment that works, there's no reason to leave it, right?
Western Medicine: treats symptoms
Eastern Medicine: treats the cause
It's a simple fact that if people cured ailments in Western Medicine, then they wouldn't make any money. But by keeping people on medications that mask symptoms, but don't help the cause, they have a steady flow of income for years to come. Western Medicine is a Capitalist driven enterprise.
May 05, 12 at 12:31amcaptain boo
May 03, 12 at 4:16pmScarchelli
quote MojoThanks. You know, I've thought of trying weed to help this before and I never tried it, I dunno why. I'd say Saturday would be a good time to try it, but I'll be drinking a lot, so that's out. :/quote ScarchelliGood luck and happy early birthday! I don't feel the effects of cannabis when I'm drunk so I don't recommend it either. Smoke when you're sober or even when you're feeling a bit ill to compare how you feel after. I honestly believe it will help you in some form.I actually haven't tried pot; I smoked a bit when I was in HS, too (before any of this happened) and I never liked it, but maybe I would now. I smoked MAYBE 4 times in the past 5 years, and 2 or 3 times, I was blind drunk and have no clue how I felt. My birthday is next Sunday, it looks like I now have a nice homework assignment.
Cannabis is an analgesic/anti-inflammatory and works wonders on glaucoma patients to reduce eye pressure and for people with migraines/vertigo/nausea and MS. Back in hs I lost about 70lbs from throwing up because of migraines until I started smoking pot and they eventually went away. It is also what chemotherapy patients smoke for their nausea/vertigo and to develop an appetite. Anyway, I hope you feel better soon.
I dunno when, but I'll get around to it soon. I was just with some people who had some, but again, I was drinking heavily, so I passed.
And I think the discussion veering from acupuncture to this is fine; it got brought up as an alternative medicine, which could be beneficial, much like acupuncture.
May 02, 12 at 10:39pmRoy
May 02, 12 at 7:14pmctrl
May 02, 12 at 6:54pmNaked Snak3
May 02, 12 at 12:11pmctrl
Yes, but what I'm saying is that you cannot sit a Western Medicine doctor and an Eastern Medicine doctor down in the same room, and get them to agree on anything, really. Because though they are both forms of medicine, the background they had to obtain in order to become one is subjective to their learning, and thus have a superior view on others methods that they have not experienced for themselves.
Politicians are politicians, but you can't say that a Capitalist politician will not give a biased view on Socialist politics/politicians. I cannot negate that there are some that practice shiatsu and acupunture incorrectly or unsafely, and I cannot negate that there is negligence and stupidity caused by Western doctors as well. So as informative as the video is, it is biased. I can tell right off the bat just by looking at the display it gives that it compares acupunture to placebos. So the author of the video had his mind made up when he made the video, and doctored the details and found only evidence to validate what he says, instead of looking for anything that could dispute or rebuttal his claims.
May as well call the video, "I think acupuncture is bullshit and here are my reasons why even though my views are completely biased". Ever heard of the phrase, "Only someone that has gone to college has to have said something that stupid". This is one of those times.
Politicians are politicians, but you can't say that a Capitalist politician will not give a biased view on Socialist politics/politicians. I cannot negate that there are some that practice shiatsu and acupunture incorrectly or unsafely, and I cannot negate that there is negligence and stupidity caused by Western doctors as well. So as informative as the video is, it is biased. I can tell right off the bat just by looking at the display it gives that it compares acupunture to placebos. So the author of the video had his mind made up when he made the video, and doctored the details and found only evidence to validate what he says, instead of looking for anything that could dispute or rebuttal his claims.
May as well call the video, "I think acupuncture is bullshit and here are my reasons why even though my views are completely biased". Ever heard of the phrase, "Only someone that has gone to college has to have said something that stupid". This is one of those times.