Hmm... Looks like Heroes (Crusaders) get Endure back, albeit in a different form.
I like how Rage will stack with Maha Blessing now... Hero + Aran = 60 attack buff
That is great to hear! I hated how an Aran would always take off my Rage when I was doing M.Park..
Apr 13, 12 at 4:46am
Crusad3r
Hmm... Looks like Heroes (Crusaders) get Endure back, albeit in a different form.
I like how Rage will stack with Maha Blessing now... Hero + Aran = 60 attack buff
Apr 12, 12 at 7:40pm
Lorx
Or nerf both of you
But this is nexon, so gogo gadget power creep.
Update: this has been released on KMS as v1.2.156
Final warrior skill tables (in english) can be found here in the second post. And here's the orangemushroom page for the patch.
Apr 08, 12 at 10:12pm
Crusad3r
I already figured that. We just need Enrage slightly buffed up and we'll be even with Mikhile at vs1
Apr 08, 12 at 3:22pm
Lorx
Here we go, since I know nothing of warriors, I read through what somebody who does know...knows. This is as-of this Warrior revamp patch:
quote joe
Mikhail remains unchanged. Overall, Paladin and Dark Knight DPS buffs were miniscule compared to Heroes. Heaven's Hammer is still detrimental to %/s and HPS. Heroes now significantly lead HPS as well as taking the lead in all categories of the three original warriors. They also perform better than Mikhail at vs2+, but lose to Aran at vs2+, and Demon Slayers if some defense exists. HPS is by far the highest of any Warrior though.
HPS=Hits per second
This patch doubled both how much damage Heroes do to mobs, as well as their HPS.
Yeah, even with the Hero buff, Mikhail is still stronger
Of course it is, and it will be for a few months, until the next batch of nerfs and balances arrive.
Apr 08, 12 at 8:06am
Crusad3r
Yeah, even with the Hero buff, Mikhail is still stronger
Apr 08, 12 at 7:39am
Lorx
They have the highest attacks per second that I know of, so their damage cap, when they hit cap, would the max of any class right now.
In terms of raw damage, ignoring caps, Phantom have the capability to do about four times what Shadowers and DB do after the Thief/Pirate Revamp buffs to groups of enemies (and will do more to single target as well, just not by such a large amount). NL do less than Shadowers or DB. The thing about Phantom is that while basically any MS class will be easy to play, building a Phantom and using it correctly will actually take thought. People who put in less strategy to actually picking out abilities, will floor their DPS. Instead of spamming one skill on GCD (Aka: Your spam skill) and hitting another on CD (Aka: Stuff like Heaven's Hammer), I've seen some pretty good phantom lineups that use something to the tune of five active abilities, not all of which are linked to a solid cooldown you have to hit them on. Coincidentally Shadowers have similar skill ceilings for playing them correctly.
Took another look at Warrior damage, since I realized I forgot to take anything past Legend into account. This goes up to Mikhail's release, so just before the warrior revamp. I don't know wholly enough about warriors to figure it all out, but it seems that Pally and Hero actually even out more or less, Pally will do slightly more to a group, but Hero will do more single target. This isn't taking elemental advantages into account though, so there's that. Only other class I could really place with some amount of certainty is that DK do less than half of what Hero/Pally can do.
Guess I really need to throw out my old charts, they were useful for a while but it gets tiring to manually tweak them every time nexon patches.
edit: I may have understood the numbers I was seeing for warriors better than I thought, Mikhail looked far above what I expected to see, but this video is a bit scary. Short version, a level 144 Mikhail solo'd Horntail which is level 160 in 8 minutes.
Apr 08, 12 at 6:19am
Crusad3r
James, I think you overestimate Phantoms. I hear from everyone that they're pretty weak even when they're funded. It's only when they're crazy funded that they get decent. Now compare that to the newest buffs here to warriors, I doubt they'll stay at the top for long
Apr 07, 12 at 7:44pm
Slash
Hero's are above Pally's in terms of Damage.
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