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Jan 13, 11 at 10:29pmmjw46368

The new generation of pokemon bothers me. I had not caught mew in leafgreen, but I had a handbook i got at a store which had its definition as the ancestor of all pokemon. Then I got a newer handbook, saying that Arceus was the creator of the universe. Now there's a debate in my head wondering which was the first. I mean, they can't just change that! They have research that proves that mew can learn any move from any pokemon in any generation of pokemon games. Now arceus shows up and they think he is the ultimate pokemon? He can change types, but thats about it. it can only learn TM moves of the type of its held plate, come on! Please help me.

Thread Recap (last 10 posts from newest to oldest)

Mar 03, 14 at 2:56pm

Arceus created the universe and mew, mew created all other pokemon.

Mar 02, 14 at 9:29am
Theorist No.34475

you forget, arceus is only called a diety in sinnoh myths, he is still a pokemon, if a powerful one. its just as likely that mew existed before everything else.

Feb 15, 14 at 5:25pm

I think you all are forgetting that mew is not some deity. Mew is a species of pokemon that lived a long time ago and eventually evolved into the pokemon that are around today. Mew didnt create any pokemon. Mew probably came about the same way the first animals did on earth. first single celled organisms then more and more complicated ones until eventually mew came about. Arceus created the pokemon/deities that created the universe so he had to come before everything else.

Jan 29, 14 at 5:07pm

Hi there! I'm Zelcoor. ... I have a hypothesis that puts everyone's arguments to rest. This is some deep philosophy stuff so brace yourselves.

OK so it starts like this..... A complete empty void of nothing.... then a wormhole opens up and a violent torrent of mass enters the universe contain what? A single object a imperfect sphere-like object. What is it? [b][/b] An egg. This egg contained a being that existed somewhere else from an entire different being one that you and I could not comprehend. Now this egg hatched in this torrent of destruction and pain hatching one sole object. The original object of this world. Arceus..... Knowing not where he came from or what he was he did the only thing his instinct told him to do, what his purpose was. He created. His first creation was of his very own egg sack, he created a small creature, a vague being....Mew.....
Knowing of his power arcues created more... out of the nothingness.... SPACE....out of the emptiness......TIME.... He made beings of power and stature and then arcues rested....

Mew seeing everything and being the first created had all of the materiel arcues could make. Mew too could create.. Mew created! The planets the oceans everything. ...He made pokemon......little did arcues and mew know they were not the original creators there was another somewhere else...
never to be discovered. .....

Jan 27, 14 at 10:25am
Theorist No.34475

@ a simple fan

Black and white:It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.

X version: According to the legends of Sinnoh, this Pokémon emerged from an egg and shaped all there is in this world.

As you can see, no matter which pokedex entry you choose it only says arceus' egg was FORMED IN the nothingness, not FROM it.

as to those who state THESE pokedex entries:

Crystal:Because it can learn any move, some people began research to see if it is the ancestor of all Pokémon.

Black and white:Because it is able to use every move, there are many scientists who believe that it is the ancestor of all Pokémon.

Yes, mew is BELIEVED BY SCIENTISTS to be the ancestor of all pokemon due to GENETIC PROOF. however, it is still BELIEVED by scientists.

HOWEVER. the same is true for arceus, albeit slightly different. if you look above, its plain to see that Arceus' pokedex entries state that it created the universe ACCORDING TO THE LEGENDS OF SINNOH. remember, these legends were probably made thousands of years ago, ancient inhabitants of sinnoh probably didn't even know there WERE other regions out there, and their beliefs would have to have been founded upon arceus' immense power and ability to create.

For those that state his tremendous stats as proof that he made the universe, think about it for a second, has any other pokemon created an ENTIRE continent? no, at least, not by themselves. there were other pokemon who made continents, but they WORKED TOGETHER. Arceus' impressive stats are proof that he COULD make an entire continent, and even if he DID make the entire pokemon universe, lack of information on mew COULD suggest that he's not FROM this universe, possibly drifting in THE SOME NOTHINGNESS WHERE ARCEUS' EGG WAS FORMED. remember, the pokedex never says WHAT EXACTLY formed arceus' egg.

once again, we're basing the beliefs of ancient inhabitants of sinnoh with theory's from scientists stemming from genetics. they're both possible at the same time, and its also POSSIBLE that arceus came first. it just seems that mew coming first is highly more PROBABLE.

Dec 05, 13 at 4:32pm

You all base your info off the pokedex, but there's info of the anime and manga as well. In the beginning, Mew laid the egg that would become Arceus. Arceus had the power to shape a universe, and created Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina, who controlled space, time, and antimatter.(?)

Dec 02, 13 at 2:13pm

Excuse me for bumping an old thread, but looking at Mew's bulbapedia entry and then it's pokedex entries throughout the Pokemon series, each entry says believed to be the ancestor of all Pokemon. I think that means nothing has been exactly proven by scientists.

Nov 03, 13 at 12:06pm

as stated in the pokedex, Arceus was born OUTSIDE of the Universe and 'shaped it with 1000 arms' therefore Mew could not have existed, which leads me to believe Mew is the first Pokemon IN the universe

Oct 31, 13 at 5:18pm

Mew did.Really,I hate Arceus because of some guy who thinks it is the master of all matter and not matter,plus mew is an epic pink spacecat in a bubble

Oct 15, 13 at 11:00am

Let me explain:

In the beginning, only Mew existed. no universe, just mew living in a void of nothingness. Mew, being a fun-loving Pokemon, got very bored with this and created a son, Arceus. Mew granted Arceus with an ability he himself did not have. Arceus uses this ability to create a universe and a planet for Mew's amusement. Mew and Arceus soon got bored of this as well, since they were still alone. Mew fixed this by creating many (non-legendary)Pokemon to inhabit this world. Mew could not watch over and keep all of the Pokemon happy all by itself however, so it created new, extremely powerful (legendary)Pokemon to watch over and protect the other Pokemon. Mew divided the land into regions and gave each region 2-3 legendaries to watch over them, except for Unova which recieved only first. Perfect Kyurem(later split into Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem) were chosen to watch over Unova. Giritina, Dialga, and Palkia were chosen to watch over Sinnoh. Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza were chosen to watch over Hoenn. Ho-Oh and Lugia were chosen to watch over Johto. Mew itself chose to watch over Kanto, and Arceus chose to stay in Sinnoh. All of these legendary pokemon also have control over an aspect of the planet/universe, as we all know. Mew also created less powerful legendaries such as Celebi for unknown reasons.
Mew then created Humans to live together with the pokemon and guide them when the legenaries could not. Mew IS the original

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