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quote The DeathwindOkay - thanks. Phew, there's more to this the deeper you go. While using the av. stats is probably as good as you're gonna get for assessment, when you factor in the added benefit of 10% chance of flinching, that Ice Beam is theoretically only 10% more powerful and the cost of buying Ice Beam, Ice Fang it is!I'm fairly sure it's not that simple. You're using the bases, which aren't concrete on the Pokemon- they just act as a part of calculating the stats and are also influenced by the Pokemon's IVs, EVs and natures.
After actually running some calculations with more likely stats, yes, Ice Beam is slightly better overall, but Ice Beam has a few problems. namely;
1. You're either waiting until late Kanto (Seafoam Islands) or playing a lot of Voltorb Flip, whereas the thing learns Ice Fang naturally.
2. Ice Fang also has the chance of causing the opponent to flinch, which whule nort dealbreaking is a nice bonus.
3. Ice Fang has higher PP (and please do not use PP as a term for move strength, that is Base Power. PP is used in the game as how many times the move can be used and honestly is the meaning we're used to using.) Considering that ethers and Elixirs are in short supply, I'd take the extra 5 PP on a sufficently powerful move than less PP.
quote UlairiI'm fairly sure it's not that simple. You're using the bases, which aren't concrete on the Pokemon- they just act as a part of calculating the stats and are also influenced by the Pokemon's IVs, EVs and natures.Okay, please bear with me cause I'm a noob. If you multiply the PP for each move by the respective average starting stat for Fealigatr, it appear to suggest that Ice Beam is superior:
Ice Fang 65 PP x 105 (av. STAT for Attack) = 6825
Ice Beam 95 PP x 79 (av. STAT for Sp. Attack) = 7505
Am I missing something and is it not that simple?
quote liionI was meaning the PP posted for each move. My bad.^the absolute PP? You lost me.
quote liioncosts 10,000 at Goldenrod. Maybe not worth it for the 10% extra oomph over Ice Fang, especially if Ice Fang is good enough to one-hit Lance's dragons?Where is Ice Beam? I beat Red, with no ice beam to be found.
quote The Deathwindquote UlairiDo not do this. Feraligatr's physical attack is far better than it's special attack, Ice Fang is the better choice in this case.3. Totodile, Croconaw Feraligatr
Surf
Waterfall
Crunch
Ice Fang (replace Ice Fang with TM 13 Ice Beam once you get it)
quote liionOkay, please bear with me cause I'm a noob. If you multiply the PP for each move by the respective average starting stat for Fealigatr, it appear to suggest that Ice Beam is superior:About Ice beam on Feraligatr: Feraligatr is a physical beast (can't believe I didn't catch that mistake!).
quote liionYeah, please be patient with me and bear in mind that we're learning as we go. It is only in the last week that I've realized that the absolute PP of an attack is only one variable.Can you keep us up to date with your party so far?
I remember reading a page back that you prefer eruption over swift, and fire/thunderpunch and thunderbolt over light screen charge and signal beam.
quote UlairiDo not do this. Feraligatr's physical attack is far better than it's special attack, Ice Fang is the better choice in this case.3. Totodile, Croconaw Feraligatr
Surf
Waterfall
Crunch
Ice Fang (replace Ice Fang with TM 13 Ice Beam once you get it)
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